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Honda Elite 250 Driving Impression

Honda Elite / Spacy 250 cc scooter This site contains driving impressions of  250cc Honda Elite scooters from some people kind enough to put their impressions down. As well, there are links to some magazine reviews.  I've also included some comments from the newsgroup alt.scooter (attributed where possible) that contain some insight into the Pros and Cons of owning and driving a large Honda scooter. 
   
The picture shown at left is an example of a 1985 Elite 250 .

The Honda Elite CH250 owners group at Yahoo is also an excellent resource for information.
















































































































































































The following is excerpted from correspondence with Stanley S. concerning an Elite 250 he bought.
 
 "I recently purchased this  ('85 model) 250 Elite.  It's been stored away in a closed garage for about ten years! A 1985 with 2,639 miles for only $800 US dollars! I think I did good with this one. The reason it's been in storage is not because it was broken, but rather because the elderly gentlemen who owned it suffered a stroke which rendered him unable to ride. Well, I got the scooter today!  Anyway, I finished with the cleaning around 7:30. Been doing a little test driving. 
    Hey, I LOVE this machine! I've had lots of different motorcycles, but this is different. You don't have to concentrate on shifting gears, clutch timing, engine RPM's, am-I-in-the-right-gear?, etc. All you do is point and twist the throttle! 
    Very, very torquey. If you punch it from a dead stop, the front wheel feels like it wants to point skyward! Just a little tug on the handle bars makes it so! 
    On Interstate, about 74 mph is flat out top speed (according to the provided digital speedo), but the engine seems to have a sweet spot at around 60 mph. To maintain 60 mph, you can let off from the wide-open-throttle position and let the motor relax a bit. It gets much quieter and smoother when you do. The high level of wind protection ensures a good ride, every time. I can hear the turn signals "blinking", even at 50 mph. Yes, it's just that quiet! 
    About the only thing I'm disappointed with is the way the machine handles. But then again, remember that it has about the same wheelbase as a bicycle (46"). Go 60 mph on a SchwinŽ and you'll see exactly what I mean! It does great around town and through the curves, but just isn't as "solid and planted" as it's larger two wheeled cousins, especially at highway speeds. 
    The smooth delivery of power, rapid traffic-passing acceleration, high level of comfort (even for double-up), full body protection, quiet and smooth engine, cargo capacity, and ease of operation are some of the features that more than make up for the "weird" handling characteristics. 
    I think the scooter and I will be friends for a long time. And when Honda decides to ship over their latest model, I'll probably be standing in the dealer's door at opening time!  Later...Stanley.  "


  Another driving test, this one from from Paul who lives in Victoria, BC, Canada

"Here's my road test /appraisal of the scooter after 3 weeks on it. 

Do I like the 250 Elite?  Yes, very much.  Was it always so?  No, I didn't come to the appreciation of this machine immediately.  After all, I had only ridden cycles, mostly in the 200-250 range, over a lot of years.  When I gave this 1985 model a test drive,  I was a little uncomfortable , especially in the corners with the little tires, so much so that I told the guy I  would get back to him and waited another month before calling.   What drew me back?  Well, for one its a real beauty, especially where I come from, Victoria BC, where the only noticable scooter life are those high pitched two cycles straining to keep up with traffic.  The Elite, gold in color, looked more like a Gold Wing to me and having driven bikes of similar power in the past, I was loath to retreat to an underpowered mount.  Little things like a very nice luggage carrier, the sculpted two tiered seat, the 
digital speedo with clock also contributed to the mystique.  There weren't many of this size around to be had either, and it turned out to be a good deal. 
    So, I've now spent about a month getting more familiar with the ride in variable conditions; wind, rain, highway, traffic, cold, warm etc.  The machine has grown on me as I've come to understand the way it wants to be handled in the corners and got to feel comfortable with the controls.  I somehow feel more exhilarated flitting about on this one, much more than I did in my latter cycle experiences.  Something about the comforable seat and the relaxed freedom feeling of having one's feet planted on a running board in front of you.  It's a very nice machine.  Hit the start button and it fires up every time right away.  Number one on my list of likes is its smooth, quick and quiet acceleration.  The automatic/ belt drive transfers power very nicely and makes you feel very nimble dancing around the lanes of traffic.  This is its greatest ability, no doubt, a nice warm day cruising 
around the city. 
    Less enjoyable are highway rides,  though I should first say that there is plenty of top end power here, enough to play around in the 80-90 kph range without too much strain. If there is any appreciable windiness, however, say over 10 mph across or against, the experience can degenerate fast as you start to feel yourself shaken back and forth. While still under control, it is not exactly relaxing cruising at these times.  I'm talking over 80 kph here, so that still means you can be respectable with traffic around 80 and not flop around too badly. 
    Rain is another matter.  Because I haven't ridden other scooters I can't compare properly, but I 'll just say that things can happen under my front wheel that give me heart flips.  This can even be without much of any leaning, but just roughness in pavement can cause the front to do a little dance to the side, just enough to make you momentarily feel lost and paranoid about the next one.   Suffice to say I drive very carefully in the wet, going around corners gingerly.   I have a cheap Cheng Shin tire on the front and am wondering if higher quality might give better feel...haven't heard the definitive answer to that yet.  I wish the front tire was as impressive looking as the Bridgestone on the back, which is considerably wider and more stable looking.  It is also possible that the suspension system on these machines contributes to the sense of instability. One little downside to the power transfer system is when you are slowing down but not stopped yet, say going about 10 mph, the grab of the pulley is suddenly released and its like you are coasting in neutral with the attendant lack of engine braking.  A pet peeve, for sure, but still a bit of a bother.  After being shown the amazingly simple and ingenius belt/pulley and weight system that makes it all go, I'd still stick with this, as it's one less major component to anticipate the failure of. The brakes seem fairly adequate, though I had to get used to getting my foot up to the rear brake after being used to it just being there under your foot on motorcycles.   One less reason to ride too aggressively... A nice thing I haven't mentioned, but I guess every scooter probably offers, is the protection from water provided to your lower body by the sizeable rubber foot area and fairing.  A nice change from bikes where I always had to wear boots to get anywhere and then change into something else. My first fuel test yielded 70 miles per Imperial gallon (I still use miles) which was even better than the previous owners estimate of 60.  Admittedly it was about half city half highway. 
    So, to sum up, a very worthwhile machine to own and love.  From all accounts their mechanical reliability is unquestioned  If you really want to lean into those corners like a racer, however, this scooter, or scooters in general are probably not where you should be looking.  I know at 47 my testosterone has mellowed enough to make a scooter a more attractive choice, but then again I've still got enough jungle juice pumping away to relish in the extra horses that the Elite 250 gives me.   This might be the main reason anyone might choose the 250, and there certainly aren't any other shortcomings that I am aware of that might make you choose a less or equal powered model over this one.  But my overall lack of  scooter experience  limits my ability to make the ultimate recommendation. 

After 3 months riding,  October through January, I have a few things to add.  First I bought a Bridgestone Molar 17 front tire to go with my matching back one (ML16), replacing my cheap Cheng Shin.  I was hoping to get rid of some of that insecure feeling when going around corners and over bumpy surfaces, especially in the wet.  After riding on the new tire for a few months now, I'm more than pleased.  I think this tire must have a little softness and give to it that the Cheng Shin didn't because I no longer feel each little ripple in the road surface, don't skitter on cracks and feel a fair degree more confidence on wet corners.  I'd call it essential scooter equipment. I still get a thrill out of driving the thing, even though we're talking fall/winter temperatures (it's been pretty mild actually).  But I will say this:  I feel this is a city bike, not a highway bike.   It's like night and day, as soon as you head over 80 kms/hour,  the world of wind interrupts your enjoyment and tells you to hunker down, hold on tight and grimace your way to the next slow down.  My stock windscreen is such that my 5'9" body sticks up enough over it that the turbulence affects handling and I find myself scrunching myself down just to get more calm control.  So you can do it all with this 250cc engine, but you probably won't really have a lot of fun doing it.  City riding, conversely, is the most fun thing I can imagine doing on wheels.  There's so much pep and mobility that exhiliaration is more common than any traffic related stresses.  I'm looking forward to spring and summer for even more fun. I've had one little puzzle of a problem mechanically.  I was getting oil seeping out around my air cleaner.  The explanation supposedly is that if your crankcase breather tube gets plugged and full up, any excess oil makes it way back there.  So overfilling your meager 1 litre supply is possibly going to cause this.  No big deal, from what I can tell. 

Paul 

Mar/2001:  Paul sold his scooter recently to a movie production company  who intend to use it, along with another 250 Elite, as a movie prop. A scene in the movie shows a light plane landing on a highway and for the close-up shot of the wheels they intend to use the scooters. I gather the plan is to attach the scooters to each other and drive them using a remote control device.  The close up will show the scooter wheels speeding along the road. The movie company said he may be able to buy his scooter back at the end of the movie for 1/2 price but didn't mention the fate of the plane in the movie (Will it end up like Jimmys scooters in Quadrophenia?). Rather poetic in a way as the Vespas that popularized the whole  scooter thing used airplane parts and the front fork/wheel assembly was identical to that used on the nosewheel of a plane. The Vespa motor was, I think, an auxiliary motor used to lift bombs .  So keep an eye out moviegoers for flying Elites.



Some magazine reviews

Cycle World

... But don't make the mistake of dismissing this particular scooter as some 16-year-old's after-school plaything. It is a serious transportation device. And take our word for it, there is nothing short of a runaway Sherman tank that will slice through a knot of snarled cars quicker and with more ease than an Elite 250. In the hands of a resourceful rider, the Elite-which looks as if it might have escaped from a 1960s Ann-Margaret romps-through-Europe movie-becomes the ultimate point-and-squirt urban assault vehicle capable of leaving any other two-wheeler in the wake of its socially acceptable exhaust note. 

The reason the Elite excels in this kind of block-to-block warfare is fairly straight-forward: It is the VMax of the scooter set. Powered by a liquid-cooled, 244cc, single-cylinder four-stroke. the Elite is the largest displacement scooter currently sold in the U.S. Even with its 1.94-gallon, under-seat fuel tank brimming, the 301-pound Elite is capable of performance not far below that of the Rebel, which makes it more than a match for the normal flow of traffic. And while it is a speed demon compared to its less-muscled stablemates, the 250 keeps the genre's reputation for miserly fuel consumption alive with readings in the 75-mpg range. 

And. of course, there are other features that make the Elite stand out. First on the list is the V-matic automatic transmission. Honda's beltdriven system of two variable-diameter pulleys that smoothly transmits the engine's power to the rear wheel. Getting the Elite underway is as easy as twisting the throttle grip. placing your feel on the floorboards and steering the thing between the yellow lines. It's simpler than a bicycle. 

From a motorcyclist's viewpoint, about the only disturbing aspects of the Elite's performance are its less than-stellar front brake and its slight twitchiness when ridden at or near top speed on the freeway. 

Still. those minor complaints will be overlooked by the average scooter buyer. Add electric starting to the basic package. along with a complete array of LCD digital instruments. a glove compartment. a luggage rack and a seat more comfortable than those on most motorcycles. and it's easy to see why scooters in general are selling so well... 

- Cycle World

Rider (May 1988)

"The Elite 250 has been around for two years and returned relatively unchanged. It's powered by a water-cooled, four-stroke single. In the scooter market the Elite 250 isn't considered an entry-level item; it's a big gun among the scoots. But plop it next to a motorcycle and it lands in the beginner's category." 

"Cruising down the boulevard, the scoot and the cycle both get a lot of attention. The scooter is cleanly covered in shiny fibreglass and geometrically eye-pleasing." 

"The scooter isn't burdened by vibration, but it gets blown around a bit more by the big vehicles, and its little tires dance on the rain grooves. Most of the Rider staffers feel the Honda's more suitable to less threatening situations Personally I don't mind riding the scooter on the freeway, and in the face of gridlock, I find it ideal for lane splitting. Another valid advantage is that people notice you. They might look at you like you're crazy riding a scooter on the freeway, but at least they see you." 

"The Elite's steering, on the other hand, is about as quick as it gets. A beginner must be very careful not to oversteer." 

"Since about 80 percent of the scooter's weight is on its rear tire, it has "backward brakes", meaning that the strongest brake is the drum on the rear, which is operated by a pedal on the floorboard. Use of the drum in conjunction with the hydraulic disc on the front stops the scooter cleanly. 

Front suspension on the Elite is a leading-link fork, which doesn't offer a lot of absorption. The rear has dual shocks that work fairly well but lack adjustments." 

"The Elite's easy to ride, too. Apply the brake, touch the button and away you go. No playing with the choke, it fires to a preregulated idle. No changing gears, it's fully automatic. It's easy It's like riding a chair. Perfect for running down to the store to pick up a quart of milk. And at the same time, adequate for a Sunday ride. I take it out among large displacement motorcycles without a second thought. I'm never far behind. And I'm always the first one out of a parking lot." 

"Both scooter and motorcycle have very comfortable short-term seating ergonomics. ... The Honda's only seating ergonomic advantage is that you have the entire area of the floorboards on which to adjust your feet, instead of being limited to footpegs. The scooter also has the best seat of the two. It's more pliable and slightly tapered toward the front." 

"... the Honda Elite is one sweet scooter for $2,398 (that includes locking glove box, chrome rack on the rear, rubber floorboards and a digital clock)." 

- Rider (May 1988)


The following comments appeared on the alt.scooter newsgroup and contains some useful information concerning the Elite 250 and also the Helix which shares the same motor:

"How fast are these scoots supposed to go? I now have 2 of 'em and it seems that the engine wants to cut out on them when they are at full throttle (or near-full). I heard up to 70mph, but I am only to about 55 on one and 58 on the other."

"A good healthy CH250 will go 70. If yours cuts out, it could be lots of different things. You might check to see if the sparkplug cap is tight on the plug. It also could be a bad cap. You also might check the connections on the 2 wires that plug into the coil. A bad connection there will cause your engine to cut out. A dirty air cleaner element also might cause the symptoms you described. You'll just have to keep trying until you find what's wrong."

 '85 Elite250 ~ ..."Ii've owned now for 9 years.. I'm not a small man, 6' and 275lbs.... but, it's so fun to see their faces when i leave then at a street-light, or pass them at 65-70mph.. (i have had it up to 83mph. a few times) when they realize how fast it tops out at, or that I have ridden it over 120 miles, in one ride.."




Bill's 250


Bills Quest for the perfect scooter

Bill was kind enough to supply the following narrative and I find it interesting as he's owned a few scooters. He brings up some good points that prospective scooter buyers should consider when shopping for the ideal scooter for their particular needs.
Doug S   July,2002 
  




 I originally was looking around for a motorized bicycle.  When I started exploring, I came across a Honda 2 stroke 80cc scooter.  After thinking about it I decided to give it a try.  The first thing I had to do was get myself a motorcycle endorsement to my drivers license.  It was a lot easier than I thought....which was a relief.  Before I got my endorsement however, I would take out my new scooter and just drive it around the back alleys where I lived so I could to get to know it and practice riding it.   My neighbors must have thought I was nuts going up and down the alleys all the time.  Anyway, the practice paid off.  I was given a no fault pass on my road test.

After a couple of months of very enjoyable riding, I started getting thoughts about what a bigger scooter might be
like.  So I started looking around again.  This time I found a like new red Honda Elite 150.  After taking it out on a test
ride, I said to myself, ahaa, this is it, I'm now in the big time!  I bought it and used it a lot for about a year and had a
lot of enjoyment from it.  Then, I started having those thoughts again.  What would an Elite 250 be like?  Well,
needless to say, I found one and after taking it out for a road test, I said to myself, "this is the ultimate".  I could
actually take this out on the highway.  So I bought the 250 (which was black by the way) and sold my Elite 150.  I
really enjoyed the extra power and acceleration the 250 gave me and I actually did take it out on the highway several
times.  After about a year and a half of great riding, the thoughts started coming back.  Is there a Honda Helix out
there just waiting for me.  As it turned out, there wasn't.  They are very rare in my part of the country and there were
none even to look at, much less for sale.

I decided to get adventurous and look further afield.  I found several available on eBay motors auction site.  And I
came across one that seemed in pretty good condition and wasn't priced thru the roof.  It was a red '93 Honda Helix.  I
decided to go for it.  I went to Canada Customs to find out what I needed to do to import it.  They were actually quite
helpful in telling me what needed to be done and what paper work was required.  The hardest part of it all was finding
a shipping company that would ship it up to me without it costing an arm and a leg.  I found one that would ship it for
$300 US and they didn't require the scooter to be crated up.  The big day finally came and it arrived.  I went to
Canada Customs with my papers in hand, they cleared it...after I paid the GST and the only thing left to do was get a
Transport Canada inspection OK.  There are designated inspection sites in each area and you choose which one to go
to.  The inspection took 10 minutes and 50 bucks.  The inspection site gave me a temporary certificate and a
permanent one was later mailed to me which gets stuck on the scooter.

I was now official and glad all the paperwork stuff was out of the way.  I started riding my Helix in earnest, offering
everyone I knew a ride.  I couldn't understand why most just looked at me in a strange way and shook their head.  I
rode the Helix quite a lot, but you know what, it wasn't as easy for me to ride as the Eiites were.  For one thing,
because you sit so low, sitting in it was not as comfortable...at least for a tall person.  I found that my legs were not
straight out but had to be bent upwards and this caused discomfort in my lower back area.  The other thing I found is
that it is not as maneuverable as the Elites and just wheeling it around in my driveway was quite difficult.  And I had a
hard time parking it on sidewalks which I did quite easily with the Elites I had.  So now what?  I decided to cut my
losses and sell the Helix.  This was last fall.  This summer, the scooter bug came back with a vengeance.  After some
very helpful hints from Doug, I found another Elite 250 (white this time) for sale which was in very fine condition and
with a new windshield.  As you might have guessed, I snapped it up and  am now having the time of my life on those
nice warm summer evenings.  In the end, I also found an incredible motorized bicycle, but that's another story.

July/2002


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