Hydrogen Generation for Running Engines.
Gary Sep,08.2004-16:09  
Revised: April 30 2006

I have had a Numerous Requests for info on this topic, sent to me by Email, through my website:
http://www3.telus.net/chemelec
I really doubt this is a practical solution, so I just thought I would post this info here,
for those who might be interested in considering it.

When a motor is Runnng on Gasoline, that Vaporized Gasoline Requires require the addition
of that 32 parts of air "As the Gasoline has no Oxygen of its own".
** "This is Not True for the Hydrogen/Oxygen" being generated from the Electrolysis of
water. Maybe a bit of extra air to help cool this hotter form of combustion.

In Addition, Any power from the batteries Must be replaced by an Alternator or
Generator or this would not be self-sustaining. And All Current Generated by the charging
system takes Considerable Power from the motor. At 100% Efficiency, which doesn't exist
in any power generation system, It takes One Horse Power to generate 746 Watts.

A "Typical Alternator" is Capable of "Intermittantly" Generating about 70 Amps at 14.5 Volts = 1,015 watts.
When Generating this Energy, The Alternator Requires: Well OVER 1.3 HP, just to do this.
Adding Extra Alternators, will Multiply that Horse Power, Taking Away from the Power that
is required to drive your vehicle.

From the BEST Hydrogen Cells I have seen, 70 amps could possibly generate about 14 liters
of gas per minute, Maximum. Assuming you could keep the Cell from getting Boiling Hot.
But this Quantity is No where Near the Actual amount of gas that is required.

A Typical Motor, Verses H2 Volumes

My Vehicle runs on Propane. It is a one Ton Truck with a lot of weight and it only gets
about 3.2 Kilometer per liter of "Liquid Propane". This is with a 2.92 liter engine. 

*** FACT: "One Liter" of Liquid Propane produces a Volume of 270 Liters of Propane Gas.

Propane Gas Mixes best with Air in a Ratio of 9.5% Propane to 90.5% Air for Good Combustion. 

So a Volume of 270 liters of Propane Gas make a Volume of Propane "Gas and Air" Equil to
2,572 Liters Of this Fuel Mixture Entering the Cylinders.

NOW CONSIDER THIS:

If I am driving my vehicle at 60 KPH (ONE Kilometer Per Minute or only about 36 MPH),
Definately Not Very Fast.
Now, If I get 3.2 Km per liter of Liquid Propane, That EQUILS 888.15 LITERS of this
Propane/Air Mixture PER MINUTE! These Volumes would be Considerably Greater at Normal
Highway Speeds.

NOTE, At this 36 MPH: This 888.15 Liters is comprised of 84.37 liters
of Propane gas and 803.77 liters of Air.
Reducing this Air to PURE Oxygen, it would be about 184.87 liters.
Since this Air is only about 23% Oxygen, If a person was to assume that hydrogen and propane
were equil in power, This would be reduced to about 84.37 + 184.87 =
269 liters of this Hydrogen/Oxygen Mixture, Every Minute.
The Amount of Electrical Energy to do this would be Enormous,
and Also, So would the Cells be that are required to do this.

Even though Hydrogen is a bit More Powerful than propane and the Volume MAY NOT be quite as much,
it is still a Very Large Volume of Gas and I doubt it is practical or possible to obtain any advantage.

Trying to generate these volumes of Hydrogen and Oxygen with Electrolysis would be EXTREMELY
Difficult and would require a VERY Large generator and HUGE amounts of Electrical Power.

Increasing this Speed to 60 Miles per hour would probably Double
This Volume to 538 Liters per Minute, Due to the Added Wind
Resistances of the Vehicle at this higher speed.


In the Experiments I have seen to date, Using Reasonable Amounts of Power, Typical Hydrogen
Generation has been in the order of 2 to 3 Liters per Minute.
A Far Cry from what is Required.

Take care..........Gary

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