Honda Elite SA50L (aka Elite LX) modifications
WARNING: Whether your scooter is simply a travel appliance or an escape pod used to fight the gravitational pull of the "daily grind" I am hoping this page will offer something useful. The information contained in this page is a record of my experience and is in no way a reflection of what a trained mechanic or rational person might do. If in doubt a Honda factory trained mechanic is usually availiable within scooting range. Nevertheless the following journal will , I hope, contain information valuable to any owner. The Honda Elite was cheap and I was curious about automatic scooter transmissions so I thought that even if it never ran again, I would get my moneys worth in entertainment. I was not disappointed.
The Hazards of Window Shopping
On a trip originally intended to pick up a carburetor for another scooter, I ended up buying a 1990 Honda Elite LX in March of 1999 at a local Bike wrecking shop. The engine made a growling sound when turned over and everyone agreed it was probably a main bearing needing replacement. The scooter had seen service as a rental and the mirrors, turn signals, and parts of the body had been broken off or heavily scratched. The seat and instrument panel were in good shape. Underneath, the frame and mechanicals looked in good condition with no corrosion, scratched pieces etc. The first thing I did was check the availability of service manuals but the local dealer said they were "out of print". A quick search on the internet revealed that manuals are still availiable through companies like Helm inc. ( www.helminc.com ) for most Honda scooters from the early 1980s. For a bit of a giggle, read Canadian Motorcycle Guide's article comparing a Honda Dio and Yamaha BWS.

Scooter Disassembly
I began to look for ways to disassemble the body panels from the
frame. The lower body trim pieces that stretch from the front of
the floorboards and up to the rear turn signal assembly were secured by
two phillips head bolts that attached from the side to two points on the
frame under the floorboard area. There was an additional attachment at
the rear originally but mine had the tabs broken off. Next the seat
was raised and the rear rack and taillight assembly were removed
after removing two nuts from under the seat located at the front part of
the rack and another two bolts located directly under the stoplight assembly.
The rack/tailight assembly was lifted free and left to dangle. There are
an additional two bolts located at the very deepest part of the storage
area underneath the seat. Remove those two, remove the oil filler cap and
then you can lift the seat/storage assembly off the scooter and get a birds
eye view of the motor assembly.
Take a break and match up the various fasteners with the correct body pieces (attach them with masking tape) and put them away somewhere out of the way.
You should be able to see
where the main back body piece is fastened. one location is at the back
of the frame where the rear taillight assembly was attached. The other
is at the lower front where two bolts mount the body piece to two points
on the frame at either side of the battery. After the body piece is removed,
you can disconnect the taillight assembly electrical connection at the
white junction on the right hand side of the scooter. Disconnect the turn
signal bulbs by twisting the bulb holder. Remove the license plate.
Underneath the license plate there are two deep tunnels with 10 mm bolts
at the end that attach the assembly. Remove them and the assembly should
come free. Now you should have enough room to do any engine work necessary.
In my case, I wanted to remove the body parts in any case so I could repair
and prep them for painting.
The Heart of The Beast
At this point I was expecting the disassembly
to be straightforward . First I cleaned the engine as good as I could with
"gunk" cleaner and a water hose. I had paused here to look over the engine
and see where all the tubing and wiring and cables went and what they were
connected to at the engine and the other end. There was an oil pump
located by the starter engine at the front of the motor. The throttle cable
was split into two cables just before going to the carburettor. The extra
cable went to the oil pump and regulated the oil flow according to the
throttle setting. Seeing as the engine had a blown crank bearing I thought
about how I could increase the flow of oil by varying the adjustment on
the cable.
There was no fuel on/off control like on most motorcycles and scooters I'd seen. There was a lot of tubing (vacuum/ oil feed/gas) and I made a note to label each with masking tape when I disconnected them.
The engine assembly is attached mechanically at one pivot point under the engine case. By removing one long bolt, the engine would come free but first all wiring, tubing and other attachments have to be disconnected. The engine wiring was in bundled assemblies that had quick disconnect electrical junctions (white). Two junctions had to be separated to disconnect the engine. One was for the electric choke on the carburettor and the other junction included all other wiring. The tubing from oil pump to oil reservoir, gas tank to carburettor, vacuum attachment from intake manifold to gas tank were disconnected and labelled. The gnurled throttle slide holder (where the throttle cable enters the carb) was unscrewed and the throttle slide assembly removed and left to dangle. Lastly, loosen the retaining bolt and remove the rear shock/spring assembly from the engine case.
You could pop the engine assembly now but first I removed the:
1) air cleaner assembly
2) cylinder cooling shrouds
3) muffler
I won't go into detail about
the engine tear down. If you are not comfortable with disassembling motors
and have no experience, now might be a good time to take the motor you
have removed into your local motorcycle or scooter mechanic for any modifications.
The factory manual is useful if you wish to try it yourself and the cost
of the manual was more or less the same as one hour of a Honda mechanics
labour cost so I recouped the cost of the manual pretty quickly. You won't
need any special tools (aside from screwdrivers, sockets and combination
wrenches) as long as you don't intend on removing the flywheel or loosening
the clutch or speed variator mechanism on the drive side. Sooner or later,
the drive belt will need replacing and you will want to change the variator
weights if you do any substantial engine modifications. Do take the
engine assembly to a dealers if there is a point you will need specialized
tools. A lot of damage can be done unless you have the correct tools and
I used the local dealer to re-assemble my crankshaft assembly and lower
case. If you have a lot of spare money and want to buy your own factory
tool set Kowa
tools website has some interesting tools specifically for the Honda.
I drew diagrams and used sandwich baggies to package and label the different sub-assemblies. Take it slow and draw your own exploded diagrams of how things fit together. It will pay off on reassembly. While the engine itself is straight forward, the various clips, routing of wires and tubing is unique to this engine and you should make drawings before disassembling or, if you're lazy, take photographs. Lots of photographs. It is much easier with a service manual, but even then drawings and photos are a big help. DO NOT RUSH!!!!!
Sooner or later you'll need a tool to hold
the crankshaft while you loosen the flywheel or simply hold the flywheel
while you loosen the nut holding the drive side pulley so you can change
the drive belt. It would be great if the same tool held the clutch so you
could loosen the clutch nut and check the clutch linings. The Honda service
manual refers to just such a tool (universal holder part #07725-0030000)
but I was quoted a price of $150 (the same price as the LeoVinci SP3 I'm
saving for) so built something as shown in the drawing below.The
allen head bolts must fit into the slots in the flywheel and the clutch.
The head of the bolt fits the slot, not the threaded portion as nothing
should stick inside the flywheel where it could harm the magneto.
Put a bit of tension on the flywheel or drive pulley nut until the long
arms of the tool are up against the floor or a beefy part of the scooter.
When the arms have a bit of tension, the tool did not slip out of the slots
but held, much to my surprise. one of the arms should be bent so
that it is in the same plane as the other where they both attach to the
flywheel or clutch. I hope this makes sense to you as it is an invaluable
tool at a reasonable cost. Make the arms out of thicker material than shown
if you can. Mine flexes when I used it on a larger Honda scooter.
It was at this stage that "the dark side" overcame me and I started thinking about a "big bore" kit and maybe an expansion chamber. I finally ended up buying just a bigger piston (47 mm) as there was some difficulty finding a Malossi or Polini cylinder kit that matched the port cut-outs in my crankcase. The cylinder for the Honda Vision had smaller ports than mine and the Honda Dio had larger ports, a different exhaust port outlet and the wrist pin was 12 mm compared to my 10 mm. I ended up ordering just the Malossi "Vision" piston after much correspondence withTerry at Taffspeed.
Roman H from Chicago modified a european model
"Vision" big bore cylinder kit to fit his 88 Elite. I've put up a separate
page with info from Roman here.
This is a viable alternative if you have a 1988 to 1993 Elite. The modifications
would be much easier if you ensure you order an aluminum cylinder.
| To avoid the whole issue of trying to figure
out the european model designation for your 50 cc Honda, there are a couple
of shops in Hawaii that handle Japanese performance kits to enable your
Elite to reach 90 mph . You'll even be able to say you have an 88
Elite and they'll know what part you need. Its difficult to find out about
Japanese performance parts although their web pages can be translated
by Alta Vista. I wish
I'd taken Japanese instead of French in school. I have the contact
info for the American shops (Hawaiian and otherwise) at this
page.
Thanks Charlie for the Pics and Hawaiian links!
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The compression height of
the piston is 5 mm greater than stock but I've made a 5 mm spacer for the
base of the cylinder using a cylinder base gasket as a template and using
a 3/16 piece of aluminum( 25.4 mm per inch divided by 16 and multiplied
by 3 gives 4.76 mm and in addition to an extra cylinder base gasket should
bring it close to 5 mm).
I would have preferred buying the complete cylinder kit as it has improved porting and was not that much more money over the cost the machine shop charged for boring the stock cylinder. If at all possible buy the "big bore cylinder kit" and it will save you a lot of hassle. The displacement will end up at 65 cc- a 30% increase. The Honda Dio cylinder kits are generally 70 cc because of the increased stroke of the dio crank. Some of the Hawaiian shops have 85cc kits. Even larger displacements can be had if you are willing to install a "stroker" crankshaft. One thing I overlooked originally was the fact that the intake and exhaust port heights will change after boring. As the ports enter the cylinder at an angle, the more that is taken off the cylinder wall the greater the distance between the ports and the top of the cylinder. This will radically affect how the engine runs . To ensure that the exhaust and intake timing remains the same, you should measure the distances between the top of the ports and the top of the cylinder before boring. After boring, those heights should be restored by grinding. This is not just a matter of raising the heights but also ensuring the angle of entry remains the same. A good site that explains these issues as well as showing how to go about "cylinder mapping" is MacDizzys two stroke tuning page. Also visit the links page as he has links to several good sites covering two stroke tuning.
When I get some more money in the scooter fund, I'll send away for a LeoVinci exhaust. The LeoVinci SP3 is purportedly good for about a 20% increase in power with noise remaining at stock levels. A LeoVinci "handmade Z" is a pure expansion chamber with a standard "glass pack" flow through muffler. It should yield higher power but with greater noise. The hawaiian shops also offer exhausts that are specifically designed for larger displacement scooters.
I had also ordered some Boyesen reed valves. Same problem with ordering in that no "Elite" model was listed. I sent Boyesen a diagram of my reed valve with measurements and they sent me a model for the "Dio" (model 708) which fits just great. Earlier Elites may take the "Vision" reed valves so check first.
The final modification was to the air cleaner. Air being drawn into the filter goes through quite a maze. I initially smoothed out and enlarged (removing reinforcing ribs in a rectangular inlet) the air intake. This change made quite a bit of an increase in acceleration. The picture below shows the first and suggested modifications. I was hoping the boyesen reed's tendency to richen the mixture would be balanced by the leaning of the mixture caused by "enhancing" the air intake. Initial rides tell me I've got a bit of tuning yet to do to get the fuel mixture right. To avoid any jetting hassles, you may want to avoid major modifications to the air intake ( air filter) assembly until all other planned modifications are made. My local Honda dealer only lists two jet sizes for the "Elite" so I'm going to have to play with drilling the jet to get the right size. Adjusting the mixture can be a pain and there is no point having to do it twice. A final note on modifying the air filter ~ you will increase the noise considerably and if quietness is a preference or a necessity then best to leave it as close to stock as possible. Do take the effort to clean the element often.
An Argument for leaving well enough alone
I reassembled with the new reed valves, stock piston and cylinder but new rings (hey the weather was nice and I was itching to try this scoot out ). There is quite a bit of power up to about 2/3 throttle. After that the engine loses power so that may mean replacing the main jet with something larger to richen the mixture . In order to make it rideable, I ended up adding another foam filter on top of the stock one as I had drilled lots of holes in the original air filter body and it was running lean. The doubling up on the foam seems to have richened it up some and it is now rideable until I can get a set of number drills (my Honda parts guy says a larger jet is not available).
The needle valve on
my 1990 Elite has only three positions for adjustment. Most motorcycle
carbs have five. The Idle mixture screw can be turned clock-wise
to richen the mixture. The clip on the needle valve can be moved closer
to the pointy end to richen the mixture. The reverse adjustment on either
will lean out the mixture.
The float bowl drains through a piece of tubing
located on the opposite side of the carburettor shown in the photo.
It is handy to drain the bowl before removing the carburettor and disassembling.
The air intake modification shown produces quite a bit of extra acceleration
along with additional noise. The original air filter body covered
the carburettor and was cut to make adjustment easier. Unless you
are running very rich, it is probably not an especially intelligent move
to muck about with the air filter other than disassembling it to clean
the foam element. That is, unless you love the waaaaaaaaahh sound
it makes when accelerating in which case I'd recommend going all out and
buying a new air filter. The stock one definitely inhibits performance.
Later...
I got my cylinder back from the machine shop yesterday. The cylinder had been bored to accept the 65cc(47 mm) malossi piston I had bought from Taffspeed . The original scooter seems to have come with a 0.0015 inch (.0381 mm) piston to cylinder clearance but the machinist suggested, and I agreed, to a 0.002 (0.0508 mm) clearance for the larger piston. The maximum wear seems to be about 0.006 inches. My Elite with 6000 km had about 0.002 wear on the original piston. Along with two cylinder gaskets, a new small end roller bearing and a 3/16" aluminum spacer, I assembled the engine. I've put up a separate web page with torque values you'll need when re-assembling the scooter. Printing the page as a reference would be a good idea.
The addition of the extra cylinder base gasket and spacer increased the height of the cylinder by 5mm. I was running about 115 lbs compression in the cylinder previously and am now running 175 lbs. I drilled a 2" hole in the 3/16" aluminum spacer and then used the cylinder gasket to outline the area to be removed for the ports. I was hoping to put the spacer in place and then dremel out the spacer so that the ports matched exactly but my dremel broke and I had to send it away to be repaired under warranty. I ended up doing it with a hand file which was close but not as perfect as originally intended. The base cylinder gasket appears to be assymetrical (the two main intake ports are not the same size or shape) so I ended up notching the spacer on one side so I could tell which way it should be installed . After the cylinder base spacer was finished , I installed it along with the piston and cylinder. I have not used longer bolts to mount the cylinder.
I modified the head by first
tracing out a 47 mm circle to match the new piston. I used a hand file
to remove material from the head using about the same angle as the original.
I kept fitting the head(without the head gasket) and refiling until the
piston would go through a complete revolution without hitting the head.
I then cleaned up the head with steel wool in a succession of finer grades
until the cylinder head was without any visible scratches. I then
inserted a stick of solder throught the spark plug hole in the assembled
engine and measured it. It was well below 1 mm at the tightest spot so
I re-assembled the engine using the head gasket this time. There should
be at least 1mm clearance ( preferably more) which the head gasket provided,
even if the piston just missed the cylinder head in some spots without
the head gasket. Without that clearance your engine will self destruct
the first time it reaches speed so be very careful to ensure you have proper
head to piston clearance. The higher compression definitely
translates into more pulling power and hills are no problem. If I ever
take the cylinder off again I will raise the exhaust port "a bit" so that
should bring the compression lower as well as let the engine rev a bit
more. The July weather is too nice to think about disassembling the
motor again.
The scoot was running lean
which had probably been a result of my fiddling with the aircleaner and
getting a bit too carried away with my dremel. I had originally expected
to be running rich because of the increase in displacement and the Boyesen
reed valves. I had ordered another main jet from Honda in the same
size I had as they don't offer an oversize jet. The idea was that
I would drill the new jet until it was obviously too big and then I could
go back and drill the original jet to one drill size smaller, hopefully
the "right" jet size. My jet was stamped with an 88 which I finally figured
out meant it was 0.88 mm. I figured this out by comparing some guitar string
sizes against my main jet. The strings carry metric as well as imperial
measurement so I noted which of the various strings would fit through the
main jet opening. My D string (.711 mm) would fit but my A string
(.965 mm) was too big. The chart below shows the various number drills
that will increase the scooters main jet size.
| Number Drill Size | Imperial measurement | Metric measurement |
| #65 | 0.0350 inch | 0.889 mm |
| #64 | 0.0360 " | 0.914 mm |
| #63 | 0.0370 " | 0.940 mm |
| #62 | 0.0380 " | 0.965 mm |
| #61 | 0.0390 " | 0.990 mm |
| #60 | 0.0400 " | 1.016 mm |
| #59 | 0.0410 " | 1.041 mm |
| #58 | 0.0420 " | 1.067 mm |
| #57 | 0.0430 " | 1.092 mm |
The stock main jet is just a small amount less than a #65 drill so it would make sense to start with a #64 drill and work towards the larger sizes (larger holes; the number drill sizes get smaller). A word of caution here before you start. The richness or leaness of your mixture can also be affected by a number of other factors so make sure these other parts are operating to specs before you start drilling. These other areas are:
1. The oil injection. Make sure you are running at the desired mixture ratio. More oil will "lean out" your gas to air mixture. After 1993, there was no adjustment but before that you could adjust the amount of oil being sent to the carb. If there were no problems before, you should be OK but if you intend to fiddle with it, do the adjustment before playing with your main jet. Also make sure you were not leaking oil from the various connections. If so replace the tubing or the clamp that secures the tubing.
2. Check and clean the filters leading from both the oil and gas tanks. Both filters are located right at the respective tanks where the lines exit from the tank. They should be visually inspected and then blown with compressed air to remove any debris that has collected.
3. Check that neither the fuel line nor the oil lines are kinked and restricting flow.
4. Check the fuel float level in the
carburetor.
Later.....
HooHaa! It's quite stiff yet and will probably take a while but there is a noticeable increase in power. The scooter wants to wheelie ! At this writing, I've put 150 km (90+ miles) on the scooter and it's gotten smoother with each ride. Hills that previously made me check my rear view mirror for traffic are no longer a problem. The scooter doesn't appear to be running lean at full throttle but because I'm still running in the new rings and cylinder, I've avoided full throttle for any thing but very short bursts. The plug is a nice medium chocolate brown .
This would be a good time to tell my personal dimensions so you can judge what you can expect from any modifications you choose to do. First of all, my weight is over 200 with riding gear. Yes, I weigh 30% more than the scooter. I have a neighbour who weighs considerably less and he took a quick "ride around the block" and confirmed that there was a large increase in power since when he'd ridden it with the stock piston. He also said he wouldn't want to ride it if it were any quicker. He was doing 60 km/hour uphill and this when the engine is still being run in. The next logical step is to put on a performance exhaust and I would favour the SP3 from LeoVinci due to the claim of low noise (quiet as stock) and a 20% increase in power However if noise was not an issue (loud mufflers save lives) an expansion chamber type exhaust could boost power by 30%.
Later............
I took off the head and shaped it a bit better
as I have my dremel back. I kept grinding and re-fitting until I had a
compression ratio of about 10.3:1 or 150 lbs cylinder pressure. Even
though the days are still dry and sunny here, I decided to do this now
as I had been surfing the web last night and come across a motocross tuners
website that mentioned a high compression ratio could result in a "flat
spot" at high RPM. I was still reaching top speed at about
half to two thirds throttle. My continual up-jetting was an
attempt to remove the flat spot as I thought it was due to the engines
running lean . Reducing the compression ratio has increased the top
speed and I've got at least another 5 km/h on the top end. The speedo runs
out at 60 km/h but I don't think it could be running more than 65 km/h
(41 mph approx). I know this isn't an incredible increase in top speed
but the thing is it seems to reach top speed quicker and does not slow
down on small "hills". There is still no throttle response after 3/4 throttle
that I can tell. My gas mileage has been consistently running
about 25 km/l since the most recent jet change. I am currently running
a main jet that has been opened up to 1.02 mm (#60 drill - 0.04 inches)
which is an increase of 16% !!! Not wonderful for gas mileage and,
in hindsight, probably much too rich. The port timing was checked
as it is quite common on big bore conversions for the exhaust and intake
timing to be retarded which would account for the flat spot at high RPM.
This would explain the substantially increased power at the bottom end
of the RPM range. This is one of the things you wouldn't have to
worry about if you bought the malossi/polini etc barrel.
After measuring, the intake timing was extremely
retarded. That probably was the reason for the lack of RPM. The intake
timing was about 106 degrees duration whereas the original should
be 112 degrees. The boost ports located opposite the exhaust were
only open 56 degrees where they should be only a few degrees less than
the intake ports. The engine would have been starving for fuel and not
capable of any great RPM. The weights in the variator pulley also
showed a lot of wear. I'm hoping that correcting these two "problems will
increase top speed and smoothen out the engine at top speed. I've
re-ported the cylinder to 180 degrees exhaust duration; 120 degrees intake
duration and 110 degrees duration for the boost port.
I've downsized the main jetting (down two sizes to.965 mm #62 drill) as it was running much too rich and I have a scooter that is much smoother than before (new roller weights) and it now goes off the speedo (65 km/h) . I really don't want any extra top speed due to the size of the brakes vs the momentum of my body at 65+km/hour. The plug is running medium brown colour. The meantime the days are getting longer and I think for now I should just ride and spend any extra time working on one of my other scooters.
To sum up, the modifications to date are :
- malossi 47 mm piston increasing displacement to 65 cc
- grinding the head to obtain a 10.3:1 compression ratio (150 psi cylinder pressure)
- Boyesen reed valves
- modifying the stock air filter to increase the air intake
- porting and polishing of the crankcase, inlet manifold, exhaust port and intake ports. Cylinder porting consisted of removing rough edges or casting marks and altering the port timing from stock (see text).
- opening up the main jet to .965 mm. (still too rich)
- opening up the carburetor bore to increase full throttle air intake
The results are :
- A large smile on my face
- increased pulling power especially noticeable on hills
- decreased gas mileage by at least 25%
- slightly noisier
- slightly higher top speed
- an incredible investment of time which for the most part was enjoyable
- a scooter that is pleasant to ride in traffic.
The operating conditions are:
- 200+ pounds driver
- sea level driving,
- premium non-leaded gas (94 octane)
- Motul "motolube" 2T oil
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Jan 2002 ~Well its been 2~3 years
since I finished the project above. I sold the scooter but missed the fun
of a 50cc scoot so I've bought another wreck and have started the
2002 SA50 Project. I hope to capitalize on my experience with the above
project to reduce labour and expense as well as increase performance.
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