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ABANCOURT (d') dit LACAILLE, Adrien (...) de St-Waast, v., ar. et év. de Soissons, Picardie; d 02 s 25-05-1640 Québec (noyé dans le Saint-Laurent); cité 09-12-1637 Québec. [AGA] m vers 1617, Soissons ORGEVILLE (d'), Simone (...) de Soissons, s 04-01-1649 Québec (60 ans). 1- Marie, 48 ans au rec. 66, 48 ans au rec. 67, m 1639 Jean JOLLIET; citée 26-03-1637, Québec |
| JOLLIET Jean... m 09-10-1639 Qu/bec (ct 13-11-1637 Audouart) ABANCOURT(d'), Marie (Adrien & Simone d'ORGEVILLE) |
I cannot find the citations mentioned by Jetté dated 26-03-1637 and 09-12-1637. They might have been mentions of these people as witnesses or as godparents. Similarly I cannot find the marriage registration and the marriage contract of Marie d'Abancourt and Jean Jolliet dated 09-10-1639 and 13-11-1637. The registry of Quebec burned in June 1640 and was rewritten a year later based on memories and interviews with the people concerned. As for the contract supposedly by Audouart, well Audouart started working as a notary only in 1646; but he might have registered a document previously written by others. Any help with this will be appreciated.
First the ones that I have seen:
| "...Adrien Dabancourt dit La Caille natif de Beauvais paroisse Saint-Paul..." |
| "...Je donne cent livres à la femme à La Caille..." |
| "...Marie dabancour autrement dicte Marie la Caille..." |
| "...Adrien Dabancour surnommè La Caille..." |
| "...Jean Joliet Gendre de la Caille..." |
| "...Marie d'Abancour fille de Adrian d'Abancourt et de Simone Orville ses pere et mere de La paroisse St-Vaux à Soissons veuve de feu Jean Joliet..." |
| unreadable |
| ...Marie d'Abancourt... |
| ...Marie Dabancour... |
The ones I have not seen yet but which might be of interest:
The findings from these sources differs somewhat from the generally ill informed notions spread on the Internet. It also challenges some of the assumptions taken in the past by professional researchers who did not necessarily have access to all the data now being rediscovered.
Primary sources originating at the moment that an activity takes places are
the only concrete data to go by. The circumstances of the preparation of a
document must be taken into consideration to evaluate its value.
Everything
else is conjectural although sometimes well supported by circumstancial
evidences and worth consideration.
In summary, the reliability of the above mentioned documents are given here.
The engagement contract of Adrien in 1632 at Le Havre was written by
S. Jehan Fresquet, the official notary appointed by the King for the affairs of
the Royal Navy. In the particular case of the preparation of this voyage to
Canada this notary had prepared about 20 documents for the Navy, having to do
with engagement contracts, suppliers contracts, labour contracts, management
contracts. The whole costly exercise was directly being supervised by the Prime
Minister the Cardinal of Richelieu who watched every aspects of it. The project
was also highly political at the time and was center piece for the establishment
of the "Mercantile" policy of France (i.e. the establishment of colonies to
enrich the mother land faster than its three main competitors, Spain, Holland
and England).
For the years 1631-1632, the minutes of this notary form a
whole book of about 200 folios, most minutes containing numerous signatures by a
bunch of officials as well as commoners.
The reliability of the information contained in these minutes is likely very high. In particular the identity and religion of each of the 40 men as the cardinal had written a number of orders about insuring the qualities of these 40 men a number of times. These letters can be seen on the website of both the Archives of Canada and of France.
The marriage contract of Marie d'Abancourt in 1651, stating Soissons as the place of origin of either her only or the whole family is less reliable. It was prepared by the Jesuit Poncet. Marie is the only one who could state where she was from, as both parents had died earlier and none of the witnesses had known the parents. If she had been born about 1617, assumption based on the age given at the census of 1666 and 1667, she was thus about 16 - 18 years old when she emigrated. She might have stated Soissons, but she might also have said only St-Vaux. In the latter case, it is worth noting that Poncet knew Soissons, having spent three years previously at the College de Clermont, and he might have been the one who freely added Soissons. Also the same registration states that her mother's name was d'Orville, a name totally absent for the period prior to the XIX century from all existing genealogical databases in France at this time as opposed to many Orgeville. This is obviously inconclusive.
So far I have not found any primary source stating fully the name of Simone d'Orgeville.
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