Wayne Liquorman Interview Snippet
Questioner = Blayne Bardo

Blayne:  What do you have to say to the seeker seeking something, whether it be peace, or freedom, or enlightenment?

Wayne:  The seeking happens. There is no denying that the seeking arises in certain body-mind organisms. The process through which it arises is that a normal, everyday, average person gets the notion that there must be something more to life than the pursuit of money, sex, relationships, success. She or he begins to wonder who or what she or he truly is. This is the point at which Ramana Maharshi says that your head goes into the tiger's mouth, the jaws close, and there is no escape. That is the point at which the seeking starts. You are a seeker, and as long as there is a sense of personal doership associated with the body-mind mechanism of the seeker, he or she will believe that it is he or she who is seeking. With the final or ultimate understanding what is revealed is the seeker is that which is sought.

Blayne: What role, if any, does the guru play in the seeking process?

Wayne:  The common question is, "Is the guru necessary?" My answer is that there are no requirements set forth by Consciousness. Consciousness can do anything It wants within the manifestation. Seeking is a phenomenal process, and that's what's crucial to understand seeking is a phenomenal process. It happens within phenomenality; the various progressions that occur are in phenomenality; the impulse is in phenomenality; and the final event which is the dissolution of the seeking, actually the dissolution of personal doership, is in phenomenality. All that happens is in phenomenality. The result of the process of seeking is only notionally a result, because what it reveals is what is there all the time anyway. So there is really no progress in the absolute sense. Yet within the phenomenal structure of seeking and the seeker, the guru may play a role. In fact, in the lives of many seekers the guru is a figure central to the seeking. For those who have found a guru, who have found their true guru, there is no greater phenomenal experience.

When I first met Ramesh I fell more in love than I have ever been in my life. To that point I had been fortunate enough to have experienced deep and profound love with several people - my children and wife and parents - but this kind of love pales in comparison to the love between the disciple and the guru. That is because the guru-disciple relationship has an additional quality that is of an entirely different dimension. When there is what I call resonance between the body-mind mechanism of the disciple and the body-mind mechanism of the guru, when that resonance is there, there is for the disciple an experience of the Oneness, which is the abiding non-phenomenal state of the guru. And that Oneness is one of inexpressible Love.

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