Corrections

Response to Leeist Below:

1)Watchman Nee was totally against calvinism. He really sensed God wanted to walk with man who makes a choice for Him. Witness Lee was just the opposite always clinging to the pride of believing he was premade for salvation.

2) Just because Lee died does not mean he would not sue again as he did countless times before, just as his organization continues to do. Lee's cult of false locality and modalism "God is a three-fold Person" belongs with Mormonism that says "God is gods."

3) Who got hurt in the screaming sessions? You (Leeist) did, and those you sue as a result of this behavior (putting them into bankruptcy). Suing for faith is violent and so are those screaming sessions. Just listen to the audios. Very violent emotionally reflecting outwardly in actions like suing.

4) Watchman Nee (on page 77-78 Come, Lord Jesus) believed in rapture at first rapture of the martyred and living overcomers whereas Witness Lee believed all overcomers are raptured at first rapture. There is a difference for one who does not misread Nee. Govett would likely side with Nee not Lee in this position.

5) Nee believed in no "Greater Sabbath" since Nee said the Sabbath as passed but as you know Witness Lee passed the term around quite a bit called the "Greater Sabbath". Shows their difference in consistency where one says the Sabbath has passed and the other clings to the law a bit with a Greater Sabbath nomenclature.

6) The word "fellowship" is not new jargon. Jargon is not a problem. What is a problem is jargon that is wrong like when Witness Lee uses the term "Three-fold Person" modalism or altering what Nee meant by "locality" referring to it instead as modern day cities rather than as Nee put it like "postal districts" much smaller.

7) Nee would have rejected Lee's modern day city system, screaming sessions, calvinism, modalism, and suing Christians. Don't think that Nee would have embraced Lee in this things. They are complete opposites. One is regenerated, the other is not. One is a Christian, the other is a pig dirty inside. One is in the body of Christ, the other is in Christendom.

8) Nee's book room was not the precursor to Lee's system. Nee's book room was the precursor to CFP. To be fair Lee's translations are horrible and usually 30% longer too. Just compare any two same source material and you will see what I mean. Disgraceful.

9) This forum is about Watchman Nee and it would be a shame to see people think that Nee would have had anything to do with what Witness Lee became. We should give much thanks to the Lord for Stephen Kaung's CFP translations which are not the collected works but the COMPLETE WORKS.

Leeist Speaks His Cult's Mind:

With all due respect, many of your characterisations of both Watchman Nee and Witness Lee are incorrect.

That their teachings are somewhat different is definitely true, but not the way you characterized it.

As far as I know -

(1) Both Watchman Nee and Witnee Lee are not strictly Arminian or Calvinist. I would say they lean towards Calvinism.

(3) Regarding the lawsuit against Harvest House, the publisher did publish a book, "Encyclopedia of Cults and New Religions," which includes the Local Church movement in its entries as a cult among the Mormons, etc. By the way, Witness Lee himself could not have sued them because he already died.

(4) How can you characterize the calling on of the name of the Lord as "violent"? Did anyone "get hurt"?

(6) Both Watchman Nee and Witness Lee believed in partial rapture (i.e. rapture before, during, and after tribulation) as taught by Robert Govett.

(7) Both Watchman Nee and Witness Lee did not advocate keeping Sabbath. Both believed the Lord's Table on the Lord's Day is central to Christian worship.

(8) Having a nomenclature is not a sin. Witness Lee probably created many more jargons than Watchman Nee. But Nee also has his own spiritual terms that have found its way into the mainstream Chinese churches (e.g. Chinese word for "fellowship" - jiaotong)

(9) That's your personal opinion.

(10) Watchman Nee started the "Shanghai Gospel Bookroom", which is the precursor to Witness Lee's publication arm "Living Stream Ministry". And to be fair to Witness Lee, his translations of Watchman Nee's messages are not too bad. He obtained the original manuscripts of the sermons from Hong Kong Church Bookroom.

(11) Can you even read the Chinese manuscript?

I shall reiterate that there's a few things said and done by Witness Lee and the Living Stream Ministry that raise my eyebrow. However, in my humble opinion, they are a Christian group with some extreme tendencies, not a cult. They are still dear brothers and sisters in Christ.

Moreover, this forum is about Watchman Nee, not Witness Lee. Bring your ungrounded allegations against Witness Lee elsewhere.