Help for a Calvinist

God's way is according to OSAS Arminian. Calvinism is really a Daisy, not a Tulip.


It is hard to get a calvinist to see he worships a god of robots, but this one poster at a calvinist site,, who goes by the username of JWK said, "As to your comment on being robots. Isn't that what everyone prays for?" Then he went on to say that Spurgeon prayed that he was a robot for God. Evil leaders for their armies need robots, so does the owner of CARM.


Does God offer us salvation when He says "come unto me" (Matt. 11.28) because we have free-choice: "he that will, let him take the water of life freely" (Rev. 22.17)? "And him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" (John 6.37b). The Father draws, and He gives to His Son those He draws whom He foresees our free-choice to come to Christ and then be saved, not the other way around.


"But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name" (John 1.12). Believe ---> Receive (Saved) ---> Child of God (with eternal life). Salvation follows belief; this is shown by the clause, "even to them..." which is the condition to be "received" as "children of God". Everyone has "the right" to be saved, and all they need do is "believe"; just as as many that receive Him, so shall they be saved. May you choose by faith to believe. God will surely give you the faith to believe and draw you to Christ if you humbly give yourself to the cross in repentance of your sins.

Calvinism = Total depravity ---> Killing the image of God ---> God must save first --- > Then you can believe (this process is called zombiism).

God's way in proper cause and effect:

osas arminian: The fall ---> Man still remains in God's image ---> God let's man choose (not by the flesh) ---> God saves (this process is called the redemptive design).

In my experience and with the Word, I have found that a calvinist always asks themselves, why they chose God (heady rationalization is sought after)? (they - speaking of most calvinists - did not receive salvation, but lets go along with their idea for a moment).

Their answer is, they think they were not premade for hell, but pre-made for heaven. This is an inescapable pride as long as they continue to believe that, which separates them from God.

To wit, the answer of their mistaken assumption is that man is made in God's image (before and after the fall), having a right to the cross in which though the man is fallen and he can not choose the cross by his fallen nature, he is still made in God's image with a right to come to the cross which is to the glory of God, since grace precedeth the fall. Grace comes at in leading one to the cross by being made in God's image, and grace enters again at new birth upon the authentic repentant approach and choice according to John 3.16,18, so that God can give His life, as typified by the tree of life.

Man is created with one nature: neither God's nature, since the man has not yet eaten of the tree of life, nor the fallen nature, since the man had not yet fallen. Man being created in the image of God does not mean man has God's nature, that is God's life, but rather than the man, made spirit, soul and body has a free-will just like God's as well as all of the other components of his being accurately reflect what it means to be made in the image of God which is perfect out of His glory. God can't sin, but man can fall, though not eternally, if he is born again for new birth is an eternal gift.

So you see the free-will of man can be viewed from two perspectives. One from being made in the image of God, which Adam had, and Abel had, who gave right offering (Cain did not give right offering, though he was still made in God's image); the other, viewed from the perspective of the flesh, that is the will of the flesh of the sin nature that can never come to the cross. Many Bible verses speak of this latter aspect that nothing of the man (of the flesh) can choose God.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

Calvinists get no respect for their offering of thinking they were pre-made for salvation. The image of God is never diminished in the man, for man is made perfect.

God longs to see the man make the choice for Him, for these are the ones He wants to be with, not the tares in the outward appearance of the kingdom of heaven. O there is so many of them.

Let it be known, a calvinist is not pre-made for hell. Nor are they limitedly atoned for 2 Cor. 5.14,15 is clear that Jesus died for all for "one died for all, therefore all died,"

"For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that one died for all, therefore all died; and he died for all, that they that live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto him who for their sakes died and rose again" (2 Cor. 5.14,15). This does not mean all are saved, but that Jesus' death on the cross was for all - unlimited atonement (as taught according to OSAS arminian).

Love, in Christ,
Troy Brooks