Debunking Christianity Site tries to Disprove the 4 Step Proof for God

The site Debunking Christianity tries to disprove the 4 Step Proof for God of the Bible.

Instead of going through it all, let's just pick out a part that it starts off with, to show that it is misreading the Proof, therefore does not constitute a valid response to the Proof for God. Let us begin with their response to Step 3.

The author of Debunking Christianity writes,

This question and your reply are a mischaracterization of your opponent’s views, and this I can show very easily. They do not intend to ask whether or not God (who by definition is the creator) has a creator. They are simply asking you to explain how it is possible for a fully complete eternally existing Triune (3 in 1?) immaterial spiritual being who has all knowledge (because he never has learned anything), all power (but who doesn’t use it like we would if we saw a child suffering horribly), and who is present everywhere at the same time (even though if God acts in this universe, time is a function of bodily placement and velocity of movement) can exist? You never answered this question, and I dare say you cannot prove it either.

Step 3 is not about whether you approve of the qualities of the God of the Bible in His plan, but whether you are correctly characterizing the God of the Bible you disagree with, because if you are not, then you are arguing against some god who is not the God of the Bible. This happens so often the third step becomes a necessary part of the Proof. Don't try to second guess the intention here, for this is a real problem.

To have power it must remain righteous and holy. God uses His power in just such a fashion. If a small child suffers, it is due to man's sin, not God, so to answer the question, how can God let this happen, I think the answer is most obvious. God creates with the maximum amount of good with the least amount of evil. It would be unrealistic and unrighteous to disallow the consequences to sin, which would include people getting hit in the crossfire. Otherwise, you have a fantasy realm and man not a real sovereign being.

Therefore, you are misconstruing God's omnipotence in the Bible. The way we would help that child is to take her out of harm's way, but guess what, we don't. If we did, that child would not have suffered. God can't infringe on His creation unrealistically. He has to let it unfold. Just like man let that child suffer, so does God, yet that child will be saved. All of this is proven, because it actually happens. We observe it.

God's omnipresence refers to Him having a handle on everything as though He is right there in everything.

So, in order to prove God exists in 4 easy steps, you show the universe must have had a beginning, and then you move on to say that since it had a beginning, God must have created it. This in no way proves God created the universe unless you can sufficiently answer the real question atheists asked in step 3.

As far as we know there isn’t a satisfactory reasonable answer to why this universe exists. And I argue that the reason is because this universe happened by the strangeness of chance. When we look back on a chance happening, a fortuitous event, a lucky guess, or a lottery winner we cannot explain it if we were to seek a cause for it. If we sought a logical explanation for it happening we would not find one, precisely because a chance event cannot be figured out hindsight. So, if I were to judge between the possibility of your God existing for all eternity with the possibility of an uncaused existence of this universe, I would choose the uncaused existence of the universe. Chance can give rise to the perception of order, like we find in our universe. We have no such conception of a fully formed completely ordered thing or being that has always existed without a cause for its existence.

Step 3 specifically is not addressing whether the qualities of God of the Bible are commendable or not, but whether you are correctly portraying them, and you are not. Since you misunderstand God's power and presence as explained above, then you are arguing against some god, not God of the Bible.

Anything that appears to be chance is no chance at all, for it has a root cause. It only appears as chance to the unsuspecting eye. All chances can be figured out by hindsight if you have enough information like the roll of the die and the physics involved, who rolled it and how he spun it. All lottery programs do the same thing. They had a root cause from one number to the next to appear random. The program that generates the random number can be predetermined.

What is so amazing with the logic of the proof is that nothing in nature happens all by itself (Step 2), so the only possibility is the uncreated created no matter how difficult it is for the puny brain to fathom. Similarly, we observe an exponential progression in our conscience (Step 1) which would not require an eternity of the past to reach sinlessness in the saved. The conclusion is the uncreated created.

Troy Brooks