Leeist Scheming: Jim Moran Deja Vu

Leeist scheming at Factnet.org, a non-Christian site

Kick the dust under your feet as you leave a place that is false such as Factnet.org where leeists thrive. Understand how evil this place is! They have deleted over 85% of my posts (literally hundreds of posts) that expose and help leeists repent, while they leave the posts up of the lsm/lc cult adherents self-exalting themselves. The false fruit is clear, they are defending the lsm/lc cult. The Bible says we shall know them by their fruit.

The leeists, Oliver Fischer (terminill revilor) and Brad V. Sneed (loverofanotherchrist), plotted and schemed to fabricate complaints to beguile gullible moderators to ban me. I can't even read anything on their site at all. I would like to say in all my years being on forums, I have never done this even once to someone. A leeist feels compelled to do this because this is the way of the world and they are what the Bible calls the tares (Matt. 13) trying to look like the wheat. There is no denying it. We shall know them by their false fruit, and their behavior was as expected. Nothing surprising at all. Think of the aggressiveness of scientology to take down those who speak against them or what the leeists did to Jim Moran, and think of a leeist even scheming to be a moderator of factnet.org for the sole purpose of accomplishing this censorship. I am not saying they actually became moderators or paid for the site to take it over, but that they did something obviously, since my account says it is "permanently suspected" and the leeists were bragging about sending complaints in about me asking them about the 6 major sins of leeism each time they avoided the matter. Crazy stuff! The leeists are on the prowl, and I was just martyred on the internet, because I have the goods on the leeist lsm/lc cult: the 6 major sins of leeism. Praise the Lord for this discernment. Truths wins out every time!

A help for Factnet.org - There was no spamming by myself, but it is understandable why the moderators at Factnet.org did what they did since they are not Christians, nor is the lsm/lc cult since they call themselves God and are modalists etc, and thus, Factnet.org don't hold them accountable. That's why the truth is not allowed to be repeated when it is avoided, and thus the lsm/lc get off not having to confront those sins for repentance by the direct actions of non-Christian moderators at Factnet.org. What good is your - Factnet.org - site anyway? You give the appearance of trying to help cults, but then you just help them get stronger. This is not the fruit of the Spirit.

So I sent these two emails to Factnet.org, but they never allowed me back on.

April 23, 2006,

Moderators of Factnet.org,

I would like you to see what I see and let you do as you may. You have banned my account - churchwork - for the sins of leeists. Try to understand.

The message you have sent loud and clear is that in order to help the leeist, we can't keep pointing them back to the very thing they keep avoiding, because you have disallowed a repetition of asking the leeist to confront the 6 major sins of leeism as they circumvent. How then are we to help a leeist repent of these sins of leeism if such discussion is censored? Quite a pickle eh?

Elsewhere, when someone is this belligerent to avoid the central issue why the lsm/lc is a cult on this cult discussion forum for leeists, what can you do but remove the leeist? Oddly enough though, quite the opposite has happened. This is a picture of how the world operates.

The message being put across by non-Christian moderators at Factnet.org is to let a leeist remain in these sins and silence those who press them to examine the fact that they can't back their beliefs up in Scriptures. There is not even one single leeist website that is able to do so to address specifically these sins, http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/lsmlccult.htm

A leeist is being controlled by the demon of leeism. This is why they are incapable of repenting of these long-standing heresies in history and bad behavior: modalism, suing Christians for faith, violent mantra, bearing false witness such as altering Nee's writings, calling themselves God, calvinism pride, and central-hub command and control.

This is essentially why for almost 50 years leeism has been considered a cult and so shall it remain. Nothing has changed.

Findings: a leeist will never repent of these sins; that is what hell is for, because they will never repent.

This is not a request to be allowed to post on the lsm/lc cult discussion forum at factnet.org, but is simply a testimony of the truth. The truth is not unreasonable, but it is unloved.

Troy

April 26, 2006,

The postings will die as the leeist feels vindicated by you banning me. Tell me now, how have you helped but caused the leeist to remain in leeism? Do you see the problem? Not only have you made it more difficult to point the leeist the central problems of their cult in the 6 major sins of leeism with your stringent rules which a leeist will take advantage of, you have also silenced the voice of one who can speak plainly about them. You could not have been more ineffective in helping delivering lsm/lc adherents if you tried.

churchwork

Since Being Banned from the Non-Christian Factnet.org

I Was Able to Save a Couple of Posts

In "The Unholy Trinity of Lee and the Two Beasts" thread, Oliver Fischer (terminill revilor) in post #63 accuses of movie houses when I draw my analogy. In response, may I say...

I spoke of Satan, Antichrist and False Prophet in Revelation, and in response Oliver Fischer responds with various accusations, "leaven," "entertainment" and "popcorn". That's how Satan's pawns accuse mindlessly. This is the first time I mention a movie and yet I am blamed. The accuser will judge inordinately, excessively and pettily. The principle is the working of Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet, not the movie. The example given in a movie was a courteous gesture to help Oliver Fischer who himself has gone to movies. It is not wrong to mention a movie. Sometimes if someone saw such a movie it could help them see the point being made by relating something in the movie. Sadly, even though this was courteously given, he still rejects the truth about the similarities between Ron Kangas and John Pester as antichrists and the leavened tares of the lsm/lc cult. That's why he blames, for the sake of his cult. No doubt the movie houses are worldly as was written on my site already.

Therefore, to accuse me of being for what I have said I am against is to accuse falsely. That's why I don't go to very many movies at all. But I am not so legalistic to never to go to any ever. Have you seen Windmill or Time Changer? These are Christian movies. When someone mentions a movie, the lesson here is don't accuse them. The accuser is usually accusing to self-exalt himself. A hard heart jumps on a person like this. Has the accuser never gone to a movie in his life? If he says "No" he is a liar and his judgment should come upon himself. He is judged every time he ever watchful a movie on television too. He does not repent. Oliver Fischer relishes in his double standards.

See how easy it is to expose the leeist Oliver Fischer, every time. He is always wrong. Always! All the way to hell. All this deflection from discussion of the lsm/lc cult on the lsm/lc cult discussion board is to distract from the 6 major sins of leeism that he shuts his mind down passively. Same old problem.

In the "Who is the Accuser of the Brethren?" thread, Oliver Fisher in post #66 accuses that I could not have received revelation from God about his unsalvation, because Christians are not allowed to uproot the tares. In response, may I say...

Yes, it is true we are not to uproot the tares as hard as they try to look like the wheat, but we should let God put the sickle to them, and He will. By Christians knowing certain folks who are the tares, this does not mean we have uprooted them. It only means we are aware of their evil-mindedness. We can still speak the truth about them. This is what I have done, by exposing Oliver Fischer, where he is wrong every time, because Christ does not work in him. It is the demon of leeism that causes his reviling and misreading of God's Word.

In the "Brad V. Sneed at Givens Pursley" thread, Oliver Fischer proposes in post #67 other possibilities to why Brad V. Sneed lied. He writes, "churchwork believes that he has worked out all possible scenarios. There are three that quickly spring to mind with little effort : 4. The person who replied saying that there was no Glen or other Brad was saying it to protect the privacy and interest of a fellow employee, 5. Brad works for Givens Pursely through an agency, 6. Brad changed jobs before churchwork contacted Givens Pursley. The fact that I was able to come up with 3 other scenarios, all of which preserve the integrity of loverofchrist, show that churchwork ought to tread more carefully. I'm sure there are many other possible scenarios available. This is the same sloppiness shown by churchwork as when he claimed that Ron Kangas disagrees with me that believers are not God by nature. And yes he has commented on my pointing this out to him, yet he still fails to recognise (despite calling me puff-brained) that those words are not Ron Kangas's teaching, but rather the teaching of the orthodox mystical theology that he refers to in a small part of his essay. The rest of which, showing Ron's view, starting from page one, that belivers are God in life and in nature. It is hard to take churchwork seriously when he continues to be sloppy in his approach."

4. is not a likely scenario, but an excuse to try to be cunning. This is proven by the fact that you can call the main phone number for Givens Pursley, "(208) 388-1200" as suggested by Brad, and simply ask for Brad. When they turn you to Sneed, just say, No, the other Brad please, and they will respond, there is no other Brad working there. 5. is a lame excuse because remember, carefully, Brad said to call that specific phone number to which there would be a Glenn to speak to and there was not, when Brad wrote, "(208) 388-1200, ask for Glenn". You can confirm this for yourself, both then was the case and now. Obviously, Brad intended to provide a confirmation method, but it could not be confirmed. He was reacting emotionally too at the time when he gave out this phone number by the way as his back was up against the wall. This means either Brad is Brad V. Sneed or Brad is lying about being Brad V. Sneed. In either case, Brad is a liar. Brad makes no effort to resolve this either, so his coyness is in fact showing he had lied one way or another. 6. is a lame excuse since Brad said he worked at Givens Pursley at the time he gave the phone number to call, which he still today uses the same IP address as at the time of this writing today. We can see the same condition applies. This indicates he is Brad V. Sneed, the only Brad working at Givens Pursley. Since Oliver's 3 erroneous scenarios do not work, the conclusion remains the same that the integrity of loverofanothechrist, Brad V. Sneed, is sorely lacking and Fischer is just being sloppy. Remember, the reason why Oliver defends Brad is because he in fact might be Brad. Since there is no other possibilities, we know bad rationale and lying are the false fruit of this leeist.

Similarly, Ron Kangas remains in contradiction since there is no distinction when he says he is not "God by nature" but is "God in nature". In both cases, he is still not God. Therefore, when Kangas says he is not God by nature this contradicts others who say they are God in nature, since a pronoun "in" or "by" has the same meaning here. These false teachings are not just a small part of Kangas' teaching, but he writes lengthy documents to rationalize these false teachings. They are his teachings, since he is clearly making them his own. Just because this was a heresy of the past and sugar-coated with the name "orthodox mystical theology," does not make it any less of a sin. In fact, it is man's theology, mystical applies to being in the emotion not the spirit, and many people like to use the general self-declaring term "orthodox" to rationalize their own false teachings. The findings remain the same, Christians are not "God in life and in nature" because we are not God. Though we have God's life and God's nature, we are not God in life or nature. Praise God! Do take these false teachings seriously by Fischer because they have been heresies that continue to crop up in various cults. Do not be deceived by them and their sloppy approach. Amen.

In post #71 by terminill revilor, we see more failed attempts instead of just being honest and forthright. He is trying to cast doubt, but the truth of this behavior is that it is unethical. Still there is no other Brad but Brad V. Sneed at Givens Pursley, and Brad doesn't show otherwise except with lots of conjecture. This is unethical. Either way you look at loverofanotherchrist is a liar. Below is Oliver's conjecture and the truth of the mistaken assumption.

7. Glen finished working at Givens Pursley before churchwork tried to contact him. Truth - I did not try to contact him by phone, that is Glenn, not Glen.

8. Brad's department has been transferred to another building. Truth - The main phone line would account for this at some point, not forever not work.

9. The staff list is out of date. Truth - The staff list doesn't remain permanently out-of-date.

10. The webmaster doesn't know Glen - Truth - He doesn't have to know Glenn. The email was sent not to the webmaster.

11. Each department has its own separate staff list. - Truth - Brad V. Sneed has been working at Givens Pursley enough years to know the main phone number he gave out.
12. The receptionist doesn't know Glen. Truth - She doesn't have to know Glenn personally, nor did I call her or him.

13. Brad works as a contractor for Givens Pursley. Truth - If he was a contractor then someone would know about this other Brad, but noone does.
14. churchwork annoyed the person he contacted and thus they had no desire to give out any details. Truth - There is no reason to think this.

15. churchwork never tried to contact Brad or Glen. Truth - I have tried to make contact as requested.
16. Brad was on holiday. Truth - That wouldn't matter since messages are still forwarded.
17. Glen was on holiday. Truth - Same reason as 16. They are not on holiday forever.
18. The staff was warned previously that churchwork would attempt to contact them, and thus responded without the information that churchwork wanted. Truth - I did not use the name churchwork.

It's so easy to find fault with each of these conjectures by Oliver Fischer, and not just for their bad logic, but also for the unethicalness of why they are being attempted to cover up the sin in the first place of lying.

Oliver writes, "By the way churchwork, although I find you incredibly annoying, I'd hate for you to find yourself in hot water. Brad Sneeden is an attourney, and if he finds out that you've been posting slanderous remarks about him on the internet, you could be in big trouble." Just because someone is a lawyer does not mean another person is trouble. Why idolizes lawyers. That is something loverofanotherchrist would do. The truth is annoying, no doubt, because unethical people don't love the truth. That's why Oliver makes all these mistakes for his cult-sake. The sectarian party spirit is what matters in the violent screaming mantra and false teachings such as calling himself God. I do not get annoyed by Oliver, because I know he is a bad man and tries his various methods to be deceitful. Why should I lose my peace because there are bad people in the world? Unless Brad V. Sneed can show that he is NOT Brad loverofanotherchrist, he really doesn't have much of a case now does he? It would be in his interest to track down this liar Brad through his IP address at Givens Pursley - 216.222.103.246 - who is impersonating Brad V. Sneed at his own company, but he won't do that because he is Brad the stalker who has been stalking me since 2004 (the 7th person I banned on my very first forum. His picture has been saved, so if he ever tries to approach me I will know it is him.

Revilor writes in post #73, "If you think I'm bearing false witness again as you have the habit of doing, and say that it was only one of the possible scenarios you came up with, i.e. that loverofchrist is Brad Sneeden, you might want to reconsider changing the title of your webpage : http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/loverofanotherchrist.htm. Oh and by the way, it's pretty sad that u have to make pages about myself and loverofchrist on your site. Why you have to start spreading more lies about us on your board is beyond me. It's a doublestandard. I am not doing that to you so you should not do it to me. You're the one who always blows the trumpet about people not treating you the way they wish to be treated." The nickname loverofanotherchrist is most appropriate as Oliver or Brad is still bearing false witness. I didn't say Brad Sneedon. I said Brad V. Sneed. There are still only 3 possibilities. All 3 possibilities means he is a liar. We have no reason to suspect otherwise. None whatsoever! If there is only one Brad working at Givens Pursley in 2004 and 2005 then there is only 3 possibilities. No indications suggest otherwise. This is the false fruit of a leeist to lie. Since what I have said is the truth, therefore it is not a lie. I do not know if terminill revilor (Oliver Fischer) is not Brad V. Sneed. The reason these pages are created is because Brad V. Sneed (Oliver Fischer) is a bad person in his lsm/lc cult. We are catching him in the act of lying and false teachings. Forever, these proofs are given on the internet. Good thing what someone doesn't do to me is not the guiding principle. If someone lies and bears false witness against others, but does not document those lies on their own webpages, are we not suppose to disclose rapists, murders, and cultic liars on the internet? Of course, this is nonsensical! What I have said here is indeed blowing the trumpet about some very bad men in a cult. If I was in a cult I would hope someone would do the same for me. But, I have never been in a cult because I am a Christian and would not be so easily deceived. The leeists are in the lsm/lc cult.

Praise the Lord for this discernment!

In the "'The 6 Sins of Leeism' REFUTED" thread, terminill revilor in post #68 makes various mistakes. First he accuses falsely, "churchwork assumes that I force a physical interpretation to everything in Revelation. Note, that the Lord showed John what was to take place through SIGNS. This is the first clue not to interpret things merely in a physical way." Of course I have not made such a wide-sweeping claim. Rather, I have shown that the revilor teaches that new city can not be on future Mars even though the old earth is burnt up, so he creates a fantasy 3rd possibility, like he tries to create fantasy possibilities to rationalize the unethical behavior of Brad V. Sneed. It is not reality though. We know it is not reality because of this 17 point proof that the new city is a physical city. Moreover, the only mention John has of the word SIGN in Revelation is "And I saw another sign in heaven" (15.1) which is referring to 7 last plagues coming down from heaven, not the New City. This reoccurring problem has been documented before by the leeists: In leeism they think they are God to kill the new city city. Suffice it to say, Witness Lee and leeists do not agree with Watchman Nee.

Oliver Fischer continues to rationalize himself, "Even if I were to interpret it physically, what is so evil with the idea that God burns up the old creation and restores it as the new creation? In the new creation there is no sin, only the righteousness of God. I fail to see how such a thought could be considered evil. God covered the earth with water in the flood at Noah's time, and began a new age with Noah and his family. Was that an evil thing for God to do ? Surely not!" - Even if the old earth being burnt up were to be restored, it would take a very long time after being burnt up. What is man to do in the interim? At the end of the 1000 years men and women are transferred livingly into the new earth prepared ahead of time. The flood was a local flood, which is not the same thing as transferring livingly all those at the end of the millennium into the new earth. When God made the earth desolate in Gen. 1.2 because of the sin of the inhabitants of earth's earliest ages, the restoration that followed was over a long period of time. What makes distinct the transfer from the end of the millennial kingdom to the new city and new earth is that there is no more sin and all sinners are resurrected to be thrown into hell. Satan and sinners were not yet thrown into hell at Gen. 1.2 or in the day of Noah.

Other strange ideas by Oliver Fischer, not of God, are "that was using the death waters, which I might add were filled with demons. How then is fire burning up the earth to bring about the new earth to be considered as evil? I'm not even asserting a physical interpretation of the text but I fail to see what churchwork's problem is here." Water is not filled with demons. By demons being cast into the deep is a being cast into a realm below, not the water per se. The fire that burns up earth and removes the seas, the Bible clearly says causes the temple on earth to pass away so the New City can come down on the New Earth - future Mars. It is to God's glory that the old earth will pass away, because it allows for the New City to come down to Mars, which is built during the millennial kingdom. During the millennium the temple can not come down all the way while there still remains a temple on earth. The problem is terminill revilor can't see because his heart is not right before God when he accuses that the New City was not viewed from that great high mount Olympus on future Mars. That's why he accuses future Mars. So does Satan accuse future Mars as the New Earth without the sea.

Because Oliver has no faith in Revelation being mostly a literal book (see "6. The Message, Style, and Nature of Revelation”) naturally he fantasizes otherwise. Oliver writes, "Furthermore, if one is to force a physical interpretation of the text, which churchwork obviously does, then he'd have to explain the lamb having seven eyes, the beast, the dragon, etc. Does churchwork believe that these are all physical?" Since the 17 point proof proves the New City is a physical city, we know that Oliver forces fantasy. Each of these things are explained. The eyes refer to intelligence of God, the beast is described as the number of man which points to revived Nero, and the dragon is also explained as being 7 nations with 10 kings. These nations are physical nations. These 10 kings are real persons. God's intelligence is real. Nero really is going to be revived as the worse person in history as the Antichrist. Many do not understand this or have the faith to accept the teaching about this in the Word. One who is easily confused by these things will fantasize them instead of understanding the reality of them. Again, he disagrees with Watchman Nee.

Oliver's further confusion is easy to point out when he writes, "How about the New Jerusalem ? churchwork believes it's a physical city, and yet Revelation 21:2 clearly says that the city is prepared as a BRIDE adorned for her husband." - The physical city which we have proven in the 17 point proof, and the saved-resurrected will be pillars of the new city, is the bride adorned for her husband which is the Lamb at the center of the new city. Abraham looked to this new city. When we speak of the New City, there is both the physical structure on the New Earth as well as the inhabitants of the New City as pillars; not physical pillars but the very people of the New City who maintain it. All these continual errors show that Oliver Fischer is not a Christian, because they naturally come his false fruit: the 6 major sins of leeism.

More error from Oliver in accusing as though this helps his false teaching, "Moreover, Revelation 21:11 says , Having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone,like a jasper stone, as clear as crystal." - Yes, that is correct. This the beauty of the physical New City. Oliver falsely concludes, "Here it's obvious that it's not talking about a physical city but a spiritual one, that is , the church. This makes complete sense when you see that The Lord called Simon , Cephas, Peter (a stone). Peter reminds us that we are living stones, being built up as a spiritual house. Notice the words : spiritual house"- John saw God on the throne was like a jasper stone (see Rev. 4.3). Jasper means the God who is seen. The God we know as we stand before His throne is like a jasper stone. Our knowledge of God today is at best termed "darkly" or "in a riddle" (1 Cor. 13.12 mg. ASV), but then in the new city we shall see Him as "clear as crystal" (21.11). This does not indicate that the city is not physical. Moreover, the new city will be made of many fine elements in its construction by God through men of God. Also, the new city is not just for the Church. It is for all those who are saved-resurrected since the first Adamic man.

You should be able to see now that Oliver is always wrong. He continues, "Somehow, we are to believe that John was taken to Mount Olympus on Mars to see the New Jerusalem. Only, hang on, is there a city there now ? No, err, why not? Because it was a vision. Ok, so John was taken to Mount Olympus on Mars to see something that wasn't even really there, but only a vision at the time. Supposedly, we are to believe that John saw a vision of something physical on another planet which wasn't there yet. Why take John to another planet to show Him something that doesn't exist yet? Or does churchwork believe that the New Jerusalem is actually on Mars now, or at least parts of it?" - John was taken up in spirit: "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God" (Rev. 21.10). God says the new city can not come down yet while the temple on earth remains, that's why we don't see it on Mars yet today. It's construction begins in the millennium which Christ is reigning with His overcomers, not before. John taken up in spirit was a vision. Since this is a book of Revelation of the future events yet to occur, it should not be surprising that John be shown future Mars. Why take John to mount Olympus? For the very reason I can say to you now, that John was taken up to that "great and high mountain" which is the largest mountain in the solar system. Alas, a leeists still hath not an ear to hear because they are demonically controlled by the demon of leeism. "Did God give John a spacesuit?" - No, you don't need a space suit when you are taken up in spirit. Let go of your false teaching.

Oliver Fischer's confusing self continues, "churchwork also talks about the temperature and atmosphere, how it will be easy to change to make it habitable. Two problems with this : 1. John already saw the vision when the atmosphere and temperature were unhabitable. 2. Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 6:10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done as in heaven, so also on earth.

Mark 4:26 And so is the kingdom of God: as if man cast seed on the earth. 3. If churchwork insists that that the New Jerusalem will not be upon the earth because the earth will pass away, then it begs the question, What place for Mars when the heavens pass away?" - John saw the future in Revelation, not the present. That's why a book of the future is called Revelation. And Matthew 5.5 refers to the rewards of the millennial kingdom-to-come, also in the future. Watchman Nee agrees in King and the Kingdom of Heaven: "v.5 Meek - This word means non-resistant, able to endure. Such people will surely lose ground today, but they shall inherit the earth in the future" in the regeneration of the world (Matt. 19.28) for the millennial kingdom. Similarly, Matthew 6.10 is referring to the millennial kingdom, not the new city on the new earth. Just as the earth is oxygenated today, so shall it be in the millennium, but after the millennium it will be burnt up and without the sea; whereas, the new city also without the sea will not be burnt up. I do not insist, but what I have told you is revelation in agreement with God's Word. What will happen to Mars is that it too will be burnt up one day because scientifically speaking we know the sun will destroy both Earth and Mars. So what does God say will happen? He speaks of the new city no longer being on the new earth, but able to leave the solar system with walls 216 feet thick and the dimensions: 1500 x 1500 x 1500 miles. No longer is it a new city of walls 216 feet high, but they are seen as thickness (Rev. 21). I am not casting pearls upon the swine here, because it is for other readers that they may understand this. God says He will love us for 1000 generations. It is after this 1000 generations that we whom are saved in the New City leave the solar system. I have told you the truth. Do not fight the truth as would Oliver Fischer for his cult. Oliver is always wrong. We shall know them by their false fruit. Oliver would have himself remain on earth to be burnt up. That's what Satan teaches. Others may also error by fantasizing the new city which is definitely a physical city given the 17 point proof that Watchman Nee produced which agrees most excellently with the Word.

The accusers continues, "churchwork, your extra-terrestrial theology is no better than your popcorn theology. Stick to what the bible says, don't add to Scripture. Your assertions about the New Jerusalem being on Mars are mere conjecture." - Since the new city is a physical city, Oliver reviles God's way as well as disagrees with Watchman Nee. It his his own popcorn theology as I said before, he rejects Revelation in chapter 21. In other posts I showed him how he also rejected Rev. 13 and 17 by considering the Dragon, Antichrist and False Prophet just popcorn theologies. The Holy Spirit has revealed there is no other possibility - future Mars is the New Earth which is where the New Jerusalem will be after the millennial kingdom. I trust others reading this can see this is a test to show those who so ardently reject this truth, that there is something wrong with them. God does not punish people for not knowing something yet, but His wrath certainly will come upon those who adamantly reject the truth. Leeists adamantly reject the truth. They reject the truth because of the 6 major sins of leeism that do not agree with the truth. And they accept these sins because they do not have the Holy Spirit in them, but that reviling demon of leeism.

In post #69, more despising from Oliver, "Mt Olympus is the largest known mountain in the Solar System. That does not necessarily mean that there are larger undiscovered mountains out there.
Now, on the matter of the sea, let's see what the text says: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and the sea is no more. This verse shows that before the New Jerusalem, there was a sea, but come the time of the New Jerusalem, there is no more sea. Thus it can't be talking about Mars because there wasn't any sea there to begin with." - Did you know that even Oliver was alive in 1000 years from now and man explored completely every planet in our solar system to know unequivocally that Mount Olympus (about the size of USA) he still would not accept the truth. The Bible says there is no mountain larger than Mt Olympus in the solar system" by revelation in agreement with the Word. That's why Mars is so close to earth and the only possible inhabitable planet to transfer those livingly from the last generation at the end of the millennium. Oliver totally misreads this verse. It says "the first earth passed away, and the sea is no more". Not only is the sea of the old earth "no more," but scientists are convinced the water long ago on Mars was a certainty given the traces of elements that are associated with water what are deemed as river beds. Isn't that wonderful? Praise the Lord!

In the "Idle Words Leaking Life" thread, Oliver Fischer in post #74 writes, "John 9:40 Some of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these things and said to Him, We are not blind also, are we?" - Let it be known, Oliver is like the Pharisees for as we have seen, through and through, he is wrong every time. The difference is my eyes are fine as proven by these proofs given, but the eyes of a leeist are darkened. What stands out most of all is how the unregenerate tares will use the Scriptures as unethically as they can, but praise God they are easily exposed.

In the "The Shouters The Local Church Witness Lee. CULTS IN USA" thread, Oliver Fisher in post #65, from 203.118.188.185, quite pleased he got me banned, writes, "Just as churchwork was wrong when he first started posting lies about Witness Lee and the local churches, so too he continues. churchwork keeps saying that he has proof of his 6 sins of leeism and yet his proof is the product of the mixed up and confused mind of churchwork. Another point too, it would seem that churchwork loves to label others as belligerant. Perhaps he thinks it is an impressive word for him to use which is why he keeps using it.

"But consider this, churchwork is the one who has been banned from so many Christian forums for attacking the users on them. He calls people dullard, puff-brained, unsaved, loser, etc. Perhaps it is time for churchwork to start applying the same standards to himself that he applies to others." - These 6 major sins are lies committed by Witness Lee and pawns. They are sins and lies against God's loving Word. The local churches are local expressions of the body of Christ. The local outlets of the lsm/lc cult should not be deemed local churches since obviously they are not the Church. We don't even need to provide the proof of these sins being sins. In fact, all one needs to do is test a leeist; that is, they need to prove their aberrant teachings. They cannot do so in the Word of God because God's Word does not agree. e.g. calling themselves God and killing the New City. And since they cannot make their case, not on any of their websites, or in posting in forums, or in person, you know they are living a lie. Consequently, rarely do they talk about these sins, but shove them under the rug as much as possible. I was even banned from a factnet.org because, instead of them dealing with these sins, they thought it better to expunge the person who exposes their false teachings. This will probably give them further evil energy to find a way to take over my own website like they did to Jim Moran. What evil! Sin begets sin. They won't stop until Christ makes them stop, at His return. Praise the Lord!

I don't love to label others as belligerent. I don't label them, but tell the truth. When someone avoids something, they are doing so belligerently, just as leeists avoid dealing with the 6 major sins of leeism. This gives me wonderful strength to see them living a lie whenever they play the false accuser because I know the reason they accuse falsely is because they are living a lie. Look at the lame reasoning used by the leeist. Instead of accepting the real reason, they look for excuse why they cannot repent: e.g. it is an "impressive word". This thought never even crossed my mind. The leeists somehow convinced factnet.org to ban me and so I was martyred on the internet, just as expected. It is just like the Pharisees trying to kill the apostles and Christ. Telling the truth will cause us Christians to be either killed or banned or censored or mistreated or jailed. But we shall be recompensed. Watchman Nee was sent to prison for the rest of his life for loving God's Word. His accusers attacked him too and say he was attacking others, just as the leeists today accuse me for telling the truth. Of any forum I am banned from they are mostly always calvinist forums which the leeists deem to be Christian, because leeists are calvinists also, but God says they are the tares who try to look like the wheat (Matt. 13). When you speak the truth on a calvinist forum about the pride of calvinism in their thinking they were premade for salvation like robots, you will get banned to. That's what happens when you stand up for the truth. These 6 major sins of leeism and the constant attempts at avoiding examining them is that of a dullard. The leeist puffs himself pride-fully with these false teachings. I don't ever even recall using this term: "puff-brained". They always change words around, not quoting exactly what a person says which is discourteous. God said we shall know them by their false fruit. This is how we know Oliver Fischer as being unsaved in his 6 major sins of leeism, without the love of the Lord. I am not even speaking for myself but Harvest House in response to revilor's comment that "lsm/lc lost $136 million. No they didn't". They did. In fact as long as they are denied the $136 million, they lost $136 million they pretentiously claimed was theirs. I love that they are losers because they belong to the world. God said the body of Christ will receive rewards even now as well in the millennium. This has been small victory for the body of Christ in seeing the lsm/lc cult lose $136 million. "As Jim Carey would say in Pet Detective - LLLLOOOOOSSSEERRRRR!"

In the "Brad V. Sneed at Givens Pursley" thread at factnet.org, loverofanotherchrist tries to make an urgent plea in post #481 for this thread to be removed: "remove this thread entirely, as it damages the reputation of a well-established and long-respected lawfirm".

Of course loverofanotherchrist is lying in one of two ways: (1) previously, he said he worked at Givens Pursley using the same IP address of this company just a few days ago(216.222.103.246), says he is not Brad V. Sneed, yet he says his name is Brad, and Sneed is the only Brad and Givens Pursley; or (2) he is lying about his real name which would not be Brad, but someone else at Givens Pursley. He would be impersonating Sneed. Brad V. Sneed is a liar. The Quest IP address (71.209.39.48) uses Boise for the hostname and the Givens Pursley IP address was used in this thread on April 21, 2006 by loverofanotherchrist, just a few days ago (today is April 26, 2006). It's good to know who has been stalking me since 2004 when I first banned his IP address on my very first forum. He has the honors of being the 7th person I ever banned on the forum then called Christianity Forums. What is interesting about this is that he is so quick to find me as I was quite new to internet websites. He has serious issues, not the least of which are the 6 major sins of leeism which he can't repent from. Brad wants to remove this thread because it does damage to a law-firm that he damages by playing these lying games of his. Instead of repenting he is trying to cover-up the truth. The purpose of this thread is to establish the lying of loveranotherchrist. In his post he says, "he knows that there is no way for that person to defend himself against his accusations" which is "one-sided," when I create a website for loverofanotherchrist to help him repent from lying. What he failed to tell you is that he is the cause of why I am banned from factnet.org, so that I do not have a venue to express these things elsewhere. Do you see how unethical Brad is in his corrupted reasoning and accusations?

In the "The Shouters The Local Church Witness Lee. CULTS IN USA" thread (post #478), loverofanotherchrist (Brad V. Sneed) writes, "Troy specifically opposes the local churches and the ministry of Witness Lee (and Watchman Nee)". Remember, when he says local churches, he means the outlets of his lsm/lc cult. Since I agree with Nee and disagree with the 6 major sins of leeism, it is true that I do appose these heresies of the unregenerate Witness Lee, but I certainly don't oppose Nee. Self-declarations don't make it so. Nee agreed in the local churches, but Witness Lee did not, for Lee taught a central hub command and control from Living Stream Ministry to distribute product sales. I have nothing to sell you but desire to do God's will to reclaim the first love that was lost of Biblical locality in the first century wherein the apostles directly commissioned by God appointed elders of a locality. Loverofanotherchrist writes, "It was right that brother termin8d (Oliver Fischer) referred to Troy as pope, for Troy possesses the same characteristics of a pope who speaks, ex-cathedra, or from the chair." Self-declarations don't count. They are mindless. Brad pontificates selfishly from the evil spirit where the demon of leeism indwells. However, these characteristics are most evident in Witness Lee from his central-hub operations of filthy lucre. Similarly, one who acts like a pope is deemed infallible in his chair. As we have gone through the 6 major sins of leeism, time and again, Oliver Fischer still can't repent of them and deems them given by God and infallible just like he is. Do you see the difference? The accuser accuses without substance, but the truth can be backed up. A leeist can never find verses in the Bible that corroborate their 6 major sins of their cult.

Brad accuses, "Every word from Troy’s lips must be taken as gospel - or so he believes". I don't believe this. Through Brad Satan accuses day and night. Accusations continue mindlessly, "understand that Troy Brooks is anything but the true example of authority in the church". Understand that by Brad saying this, he is directly rejecting an Apostle for the Church. This is just further evidence of his unsalvation, rejecting authority in the Church. Ask yourself does his blanket accusations resemble that of one who is emulating Satan in self-declarations or a child of God? The mindless self-declarations, the characteristics of emulating Satan, continue, "His twisted theologies, abusive behavior toward brothers and sisters in Christ, and his blatant heresies of the faith have disqualified him to speak with any degree of authority." Sense the evil in such self-proclamations. What twisted theology, what abusive behavior and what blatant heresies of faith? He doesn't say. But do realize such self-proclamations are quite abusive and not a fruit of the Spirit. The 6 major sins of leeism are blatant heresies. For example there has never been modalism in the Church, nor is there false teaching of calling oneself God. Understand how the evil spirit works in the tares who try to look like the wheat. They self-declare without substance, just like the 6 major sins can not be backed up the Scriptures, yet the lsm/lc cult adherents believe such lies anyway. This shows they are possessed by the demon of leeism, for they are not in control of themselves anymore!

Discern these deceptive words by loverofanotherchrist, "I firmly believe within myself that the truth is worth fighting for; even at the cost of my livelihood". What truth is this that he speaks of and is it really the truth? Take a look: 1) calvinism pride of believing he is premade for salvation like a robot, 2) modalism, saying the Father is the Son, 3) violent screaming mantra which is neither prayer, nor reading, 4) suing Christians for faith, e.g. $136 million for love of filthy lucre, 5) bearing false witness (e.g altering Nee's writings such as in TSM, claiming Hate is Desire, yet there was no Hate chapter), and 6) calling themselves God. In the Church for almost 2000 years now, these 6 major sins were never part of the Church. Praise God these 6 major sins of leeism are not the truth, and they certainly are not worth fighting for since they are a lie and an alteration of God's loving Word. If these lies cost loverofanotherchrist his livelihood, it his choice to live a lie, and should not blame others for his faults.

In the "Lovers of Christ" thread, Brad writes in post #482, "Well, praise the Lord that you are not in any position to judge another's condition before the Throne of Grace! Otherwise I'm afraid that you would be the only person in the world who was ever saved! PERISH THE THOUGHT!!!" I do not judge the unsalvation of Brad, but merely impart what God has shown to be true. So why accuse? The Bible says, the only way to the Father is through the Son. The moderators of factnet.org have personally stated to me they do not believe Jesus is God and thus God has not forgiven them for their sins. They would be considered the unsaved dogs, while the leeists are considered the unsaved tares. Though He has died for sins of all the world and all people, the moderators of Factnet.org refusing God's saving grace. This is called resistible grace. Calvinism teaches non-resistible grace like they are premade robots. There is no worries about myself being God, since I am not God. Nor are leeists God when they call themselves God. Also, just because Jesus is God does not mean that He is the only one who is saved. First off, He does not need to be saved. Secondly, many are saved because of Him. Jesus died for all, but many are saved.

In the "Newsletters" thread, Brad writes in post #483, "Absolutely false!" regarding Witness Lee going mad sometime after Nee's imprisonment for life. Prior to Nee's imprisonment there was no record of Lee's 6 major sins. That's the proof of his madness! He is very much like Satan who fell first.

In the "How to keep one's word" thread, Oliver Fischer (nicknamed terminill revilor) in post #77 (April 27, 2006), writes, "Praise the Lord for our wonderful Triune God! Praise the Lord for His faithfulness in His new covenant. He has become our rich and bountiful supply to make us the same as He is in life and nature, but not in the Godhead. May we continue to be open vessels to His rich dispensing! May He saturate us with all that He is so that by constituting Himself into our being, we may express Him!" - This phraseology "same as He is" is to justify the lsm/lc adherents where they say proudly "I am God" or "we are God" in various ways. Do you see how this molests the word "God" which is solely belonging to God alone? Mormons do the same thing. It is wrong to say we are the "same as He is in life and nature" because though a believer has God's life (eternal life) and nature (sanctified by faith), we are not God in life, nature or grace. Though a leeist will say he is God, a Christian will never do so. Also, we need to be clear what the leeist is saying when he says "Triune God". Since he says that "the Father is the Son", this is not Triune at all. As you read through the words of Christ, never once do you find Him saying He is the Father. Why then must a leeist alter God's loving Word? It is because they have a heady salvation, not an authentic one that quickens the spirit with God's life. Incidentally, Watchman Nee never once said He is God in life, nature or grace. Praise the Lord for the true Triune God's 3 Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit. This is why at the registration to Biblocality Forums, question 2 and 3 are asked. Modalism and theosis have long since been heresies to the Church. From time to time a new cult will trying to reinstitute such heresies. These two false teachings of puffed up men was disallowed from the Nicene Creed and other creeds. Therefore, the praises of a god that revilor wants to "saturate" himself with are not of God. Until the day happens when a leeist is able to stop calling himself God (instead of saying He has God's life) or saying the Father is the Son, one has no reason, no reason at all whatsoever to expect a leeist is a Christian. God by His Spirit has revealed that Oliver Fischer was never born-again.

Oliver Fischer (April 30, 2006) seeks out men in history who have also called themselves God just like he does. This was never in the Nicene Creed. He does not care for the Scriptures, but what men say. Remember, there will be the unsaved tares who try to look like the wheat in every century. This shows how lost terminill revilor is. We should be grateful to God that such men who call themselves God is the false fruit we shall know them by that will keep them eternally separated from God's own sons and daughters in the new city and the new earth. Thank you Jesus!

Praise the Lord for this discernment!

Troy