"In each of us is the potentiality to become a God ... Man can transform
himself ... he has in him the seeds of Godhood that can grow."
- Spender W. Kimbell, Salt Lake City Tribune, Sept. 18, 1974; Oct. 8, 1974 as quote by Dave Hunt in Occult Invasion, pg. 345.
Is it true you will need J. Smith's concert in order to enter the
Celestial Kingdom of God?
If God the Father was once a man, Who made Him?
Is it true we pre - existed? If so why does the Bible say that only Christ pre-existed?
If God went through everything we go through, does that mean he sinned, too?
What must we do in order to become like God? Is not God the only one who is God?
Bottom line: Mormons believe Jesus was a created being by God the Father through celestial sex. This God the Father was once a man and in turn was created by another God, so on and so forth for an eternity of the past of Gods creating Gods. Mormons do not believe in the uncreated God. How is this really different than those atheists who claim there was an eternity of the past and no uncreated God deciding to create at some point? The term God, impersonally, is a social club of beings which you will be included in if you attain Godhood by being a Mormon. Do you want to be part of this cyclicality of never ending gods? Or would you rather receive the the uncreated Son of God's atonement?
"...Understand that I AM He; before me there was no god formed; neither shall there be after Me" (Isa. 43.10). "...received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved...for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they might believe in a lie ... that they all might be damned who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thess. 2.10-12).
You can spell it out for a mormon, but nothing shall penentrate the stony heart of an unabashedly overassuming moron man. "Who being the effulgence of his glory, and the very image of his substance, God and of the Lamb shall be in it...they shall see his face" (Heb. 1.3, Rev. 22.1,4). One face! One substance! One Being! I and the Father are one (John 10.10). "Who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself" (Phil. 2.6,7). Humility! Emptying Himself of His independent attributes. "Thou believest that God is one*; though doest well: the demons also believe, and shudder" (James 2:19). What shame to believe even less than the demons! "They have sworn by gods that are not gods at all!" (Jeremiah 5.7b). Indeed, God is not gods! "Hear this, O foolish and senseless people, who have eyes, but see not , who have ears, but hear not (Jer. 5.21). Moronicalism can not see; will not see! * God is one, not three beings.
Each of the three sides represents a foundational truth. The second way to view this chart: When any one of these truths is denied, the other two sides form an arrow that point to the resultant error. For example, if one denies monotheism, the other two sides of the triangle point to "polytheism." And if one denies the existence of three persons, the result is "modalism." (TFT, p.29-30)
Experimental discoveries about mormons: mormons believe God is a man, that God is nature, very much a part of it rather than distinct from it, and enjoy rationalizing their rewriting and changing history in their fantasy by citing what they think are progressions in the church to rationalize their own progressive revelations that never seem to bear out, which in reality are just the flesh stirring up. All mormons need to know, and that is why this point is front and center, that hellenizing is false since if you are a hellenizer, and if you can't accept Jesus died on the cross, then you are unsaved. For ancient Hebrews, they believed in Gen. 1.1, despite what mormons claim in a bizarre twist that they think men of the past were disallowed from thinking of the origins of men or the infinite God who ex nihilo, created. There is also the man-made idea that they think God the Father is a hierarchical monarch with Jesus as a lower god and the Holy Spirit as some other god below God the Father. They do not see God co-equal in His 3 Persons (forms). 3 forms means God reveals Himself in 3 ways of Himself from eternity past, not 3 beings. They are simultaneous always working for our benefit for they are God, not a council of beings as mormons in their unregenerated hearts believe, but a council unto God Himself alone. They read too many fantasy and sci-fi novels. Please! The ultimate negative consequence of what they believe apart from eternal separation from God in hell, is that of desensitizing themselves from God in no longer having a personal God, but a conglomerate of councils gods coldly distant. And this continually keeps them from receiving God's salvation as they are stuck in their minds down a delusional course. To my spirit, the Holy Spirit has revealed to me this is Satan's purpose, to deceive by producing power structures such as this in fantasies of the mind's imaginations of the soul of the mormon, thus killing spiritual life.
The best question to ask a Mormon:
did you know overassuming God is separate gods of different substance
is a sin against God? Since this is not found in the Bible, see Rev.
22.18,19. Sin affects most deeply the spirit; consequently, holy as the Son
of God was, still He had to be wrenched away from the Father because He bore
the sin of others. It is true that in the countless days of eternity past “I
and the Father are one” (John 10.30). Even during His days of earthly
sojourn this remained true, for His humanity could not be a cause of
separation from God. Sin alone could separate: even though that sin be
the sin of others. Jesus suffered this spiritual separation for us in
order that our spirit could return to God. Do you (Mormon) see how you have
it the other way around? You have the Lamb and the Father already separated
beforehand by sin. This is your sin of unreality, imagination, and soulish
Summary: If you are a Mormon, you must walk away from this system of unregeneration of believing God is gods if you want to receive God's life (not a third god of God). Joseph Smith died unregenerated, stealing many souls generation after generations after, and is currently in the bad side of Hades awaiting resurrection at GWT to be throne into the eternal lake of fire. Mormons suffer from mental paralysis of analysis concealing their unregeneration for refusal to come to Christ of one substance with the Father and the Spirit, distinct but not separate. They are hell bent on 1001 articles to convince you of one thing and one thing only, that God is gods, just like calvinists who try to convince you of their preselectionism with 1001 articles.
If after a review of a few of their articles, and the Mormon person still don't want to listen, why waste your time? You may want to convince a Mormon person with many verses but if a person doesn’t want to listen after reading only a few verses (e.g. Col. 2.9) then why waste your time? Did the Messiah waste his time in such a way? I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it many more times, people believe what they want to believe. Only the few who love true honest reason will listen to Truth.
Advice for true Christians: There is nothing gained in talking to a Mormon. Walk away from them always. They are Satan's adherents. Just tell them they are wrong, that you disagree, that God is not gods, and that their prideful deification is in their imagination only, even possessing them by the evil spirit of Mormonism that controlled Joseph Smith.
The very main difference between Christians and Mormons is that Mormons assume too much. And it is this over-assuming more than what is there, that keep them separated from God, and keeps them in sin and unregenerated. This pride in Mormons will never go away until they go away from Mormonism. Every time you look at a Mormon or speak to one, realize you are speaking to a pride in them that looks over you saying "don't you know God is gods". To him reply, "NO! God is not gods". This is no mere sect twist. It is heresy, blasphemy, and belligerence through the "petty self".
The Sins of Mormonism
We can isolate common arguments which are sins employed by the Mormon man under these 7 categories:
1. God is three different beings of different substances. Coocoo! Rather, God's 3 Persons are distinct, but not separate.
2. God is hellinizable and greek. Impossible! Mormons love to think the first three centuries were corrupted. e.g. Da Vinci Codes. They go after the creeds when there is no mistake there specifically egregious. Paul "went in and out among them at Jerusalem, preaching boldly in the name of the Lord. And he spoke and disputed with the Hellenists; but they were seeking to kill him. And when the brethren knew it, they brought him down to Caesare'a, and sent him off to Tarsus." Acts 9.28-30.
3. Modalism is Christianity. Mormons can't see the difference between modalism and Christianity, a major blind spot for them.
4. The church went blank for 1500 years. No way!
5. Trying to change the reality of history, especially the early church fathers in addition to the Word itself. Selectivity!
6. Assuming three gods in eternity past instead of one God in the beginning. I like to call this puff the magic dragon!
7. Having no legitimate purpose for believing in 3 gods polytheism/tritheism. Israel was severely punished for such a thing for their love of various gods of different substance.
Summary: just a bunch of false rationalizations and mistaken assumptions from the evil spirit they embrace. This is a good lesson in that men can say straight to your face they believe in Jesus, but they really don't. They mean something completely different. How conniving the evil spirit.
Mormons Were Hellenized
Hellenism perceives their Cosmos (KOSMOS, i.e. the Universe) as an ever-existing Being and allowed the Gods (their term) themselves to be created through its procedures, very much like the polytheism of Mormonism in speaking of their three gods.
Hellenes believe Gods (their term, capital G) were born inside the Cosmos (their term) and live inside it - they are part of it. Christianity says there is only one God. Mormonism says there is a God who is 3 gods. Coocoo! Christianity is the one of these three that are true. Hellenes real dispute with Monotheism is that Hellenes Gods live inside it, not the number of Gods (One or Many, Mono- or Poly-) but where the God or Gods stand in relation to the Cosmos. Therefore they are very much like Mormons in that they don't mind having 3 gods and calling them God or Gods. O, what confusion always trying to mess around with our creator! Monotheism believes the Cosmos was created by an omnipresent, eternal Godhead outside His creation, and is a creation that abides in its creator for the creator created it. For Hellenes, the eternal Cosmos emerges always from inside of itself and is the creator of all Gods, which have to obey its own laws. How similar this is to Mormonism in their god realms and saying we existed before too. Now I see why Mormons expend so much effort trying to accuse Christianity of being Hellenized - it is because the real truth is that it is Mormons that are really Hellenized by polytheism as Mormons reign over worlds within the system of being "part of it" and "living inside it". There are three things men love in their flesh - wisdom, power (might), and riches. You can guess this was quite a surprise to me to find out the term Mormons throw around so much is really a preemptive strike on their part because they are the ones truly Hellenized. That old saying is true, "what men often accuse others of is what they themselves are suffering".
Jer 9:23 Thus saith Jehovah, Let not the wise man glory in
his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let
not the rich man glory in his riches;
Jer 9:24 but let him that glorieth glory in this, that he hath understanding, and knoweth me, that I am Jehovah who exerciseth lovingkindness, justice, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith Jehovah.
Help for Modalistic Mormons
With many assumptions there is part fact and part untruth. Modalism is one of those cases. They have part fact and part untruth. Their part truth is God is one being. Their part untruth is that God works in and out of modes successively or dispensationally. That is untrue. God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit have been present in His Being since eternity past. This is the language God affords us to understand Him. Therefore, the god of modalism is not God of the Bible. Mormons have an assumption that is also part fact and part untruth. The part truth is that God of the Bible is Father, Son, Spirit. Their part untruth is that God is 3 gods, which is tritheism and polytheism. Most Modalists and most Mormons go to hell for this since they never accepted Christ in reality that keeps them in this lie comfortably. A Christian's conscience will readily recognize this error if deceived by it or not with a little knowledge, but a Mormon can't let go year after year because he has never yet come to Christ in reality. Those that can't let go of it, are showing they do not have a regenerated spirit. Mormons are also constantly confusing the operations of the Spirit with the Father or the Son with the Spirit which shows they are tending towards modalism even though they denounce it. This to me is a proof that not only are Mormons polytheistic and tritheistic but it is because of a non-quickened spirit, IRONICALLY in confusing God's 3 Persons, God's 3 forms, God's 3 Personablenesses, that they act modalistic. For example they will say "The Father created not the Son."
Unethical Mormon doublespeak - "we worship three....individuals who are God, we are monotheistic". Reducing God to "individuals" is human terminology showing an unregenerated heart, and contradicting themselves. When Christians says 3 Persons, they do not mean 3 individuals. True believers says "God is 3 Persons", not 3 individuals.
Blithing Christians saying they said "three persons", when Christians don't use the expression, 3 persons, since Christians speak of "3 Persons" of the Godhead. This substantial difference should not be blithed.
Changing the Word of God (Rev. 22.18,19) - The words "council of gods" don't occur together in the KJV, but a Mormon will use this terminology for their corporate God. This is not found in the Hebrew thus requiring the alteration of the Word.
More bad Mormon quotes - "They are three separate individuals, and in the world of common sense, that's three Gods". Let us no have the kind of worldly common sense of Mormons, since God is neither individuals, nor Gods. God is God, not Gods, nor gods in a group. This is comic book theology.
Mormon doublespeak - a "... corporate unity. They are a single group who act in such perfect unity that they are completely united, even fungible!" Fungible means interchangeable. God is not a modal of changing fungible modes like corporate board members. Please disregard this relegating God to a corporation of beings instead of a singular God in 3 Persons. How impersonal this Mormon god. We are being led by a corporation of beings. No! This is a lie. Refuse Mormons in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit and do not be afraid to say to the spirit in their spirit, "get the hence Satan".
The clincher - "Whatever word a particular leader uses to convey his point at any specific time--God or Gods--must be considered in context." There you have it, a justification for Gods. Perhaps the problem is indeed "his point", which is a selfish point to rationalize God is Gods, or gods.
Seeking God ship - "Pre-mortal existence of human spirits". This is wrong. We were not pre-mortalized. We were predestinated. The difference is that we had not yet come into existence yet by God's foreknowledge. He knew each one of us would come into the world to make a choice for Him or not for Him at all. This fact which exposes the Mormon pre-mortal existence error, also destroys their thought of "the possibility that humans may be deified". No humans will ever be deified. When we resurrected-saved inhabit the new city in eternity future, we still will not be, nor ever will be, deified since we were also never had a pre-mortal existence. There will never even be the possibility. Praise God!
Debasing God to human terms - "I reject the traditional (false) view of God as some sort of metaphysical Being". This is warped to say this. Think about how really warped this is. Men of God have been in agreement since the time of Moses' writings given by the Holy Spirit, and the Mormon calls it tradition and metaphysical. That is demented to say the least. If you want to debase the truth, I suppose that is a tactic you could use, but no doubt it is hellbound. This relates to point #2 above as cults need to pretend an alteration of history, literally rewriting history to start there new as Joseph Smith did. There is no humility just pride rearing its ugly head when they do this.
Help Understanding the Godhead
I believe this piece will go a long way to helping Mormons in realizing they are thinking in human terms (in a comic book way), instead God's Triune Nature,
The Way of the Lord (Spiritual Authority, CFP, pp. 45-46, Watchman Nee)
“As regards to the Godhead, the Son and the Father are co-equal; but His being the Lord is rewarded Him by God. The Lord Jesus Christ was made Lord only after He emptied Himself. His deity derives from who He is, for His being God is His inherent nature. His being Lord, though, issues out of what He has done. He was exalted and rewarded by God to be the Lord only after He forsook His glory and maintained the perfect role of obedience. As regards Himself, He is God; as regards reward, He is Lord. His Lordship did not exist originally in the Godhead.
The passage in Philippians 2 is most difficult to explain, for it is most controversial besides being most holy. Let's remove our shoes and stand on holy ground as we review the Scripture. It seems as though at the beginning a council was held within the Godhead. God conceived a plan to create the universe. In that plan the Godhead agreed to have authority represented by the Father. But authority cannot exist alone. God must therefore find obedience in the universe. Two living beings were to be created: angels (spirits) and men (living souls). According to His foreknowledge God foresaw the rebellion of the angels and the fall of men; hence He was unable to establish His authority in angels or in the Adamic race. Consequently, within the Godhead perfect accord was reached that authority would be reached by the obedience of the Son. From this come the distinctive operations of God the Father and God the Son. One day God the Son emptied himself, and being born in the likeness of men. He became the symbol of obedience. Inasmuch as rebellion came from the created beings, so obedience must now be established in the created being. Man sinned and rebelled; therefore the authority of God must be erected on man’s obedience. This explains why the Lord came to the world and was made as one of the created men”.
Taken from page 107 of The Case for Faith by Lee Strobel, 1998:
Archaeology repeated affirmation of the New Testament’s accuracy provides important corroboration of its reliability. This is in stark contrast with how archaeology has proved to be devastating for Mormonism.
Although Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, claimed that his Book of Mormon is “the most correct of any book upon the earth,” [Joseph Smith, History of the Church, 8 vols. (Salt Lake City: Deseret, 1978), 4:461, cited in Donald S. Tingle, Mormonism (Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity Press, 1981), 17.], archaeology has repeatedly failed to substantiate its claims about events that supposedly occurred long ago in the Americas.
I remember writing to the Smithsonian Institute to inquire about whether there was any evidence supporting the claims of Mormonism, only to be told in unequivocal terms that its archaeologists see “no direct connection between archaeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.”
As authors John Ankerberg and John Weldon conclude in a book on the topic, “In other words, no Book of Mormon cities have ever been located, no Book of Mormon person, place, nation, or name has ever been found, no Book of Mormon artifacts, no Book of Mormon scriptures, no Book of Mormon inscriptions . . . nothing which demonstrates the Book of Mormon is anything other than myth or invention has ever been found.” [Clifford Wilson, Rocks, Relics, and Biblical Reliability (Grand Rapids: Zondervan; Richardson, Tex.: Probe, 1977), 120 cited in Ankerberg and Weldon, Ready with an Answer, 272.]
Mormonism is appealing because of its selfish construct which makes sin more acceptable after believing the above untruths.