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The Orthodox Presbyterian Church has written some comments of theirs on Watchman Nee. I will address each of their points and their overassuming mistakes. http://www.opc.org/qa.html?question_id=24

Question and Answer - Watchman Nee

Question:  How does the teaching of Watchman Nee differ from the teaching of Reformed theology?

Answer: Well, for starters, I must admit that I do not claim to be an expert on Watchman Nee. However, allow me to suggest some brief points.

1) Watchman Nee apparently believed in on-going present-day revelations outside of the Bible. So, for instance, he could write this (I'm quoting from the WatchmanNee.org Web site):

"What the Lord revealed to me was extremely clear: Before long He would raise up local churches in various parts of China. Whenever I closed my eyes, the vision of the birth of local churches appeared...."

This differs significantly from Reformed Theology, since we believe that the fullness of God's revelation is contained in Scripture alone. In other words, God speaks to us today through his written Word, not through direct revelations.

Making such a case from the Bible is beyond the scope of this forum. I would simply direct you to the very fine work done by Richard B. Gaffin in his book Perspectives on Pentecost, P & R Publishing. In that book, Dr. Gaffin expounds all the relevant biblical passages to make the Reformed case against present-day direct revelations.

Notice the slight of hand by the writer for the Presbyterian Orthodox Church. Quite cunning, and unethical! The writer says "outside the Bible", with no indication what Nee has said here as being outside the Bible. So the writer makes a self-declaration which stems from the selfish self, and then agrees with himself in his self-declaration, yet is unable to back it up by showing it in Watchman Nee's words, since Nee is merely agreeing with the Word of God. Revelations by the Holy Spirit agree with the Word of God, so the question becomes: why does this Reformed Presbyterian theology reject the Word of God? In other words, why do they operate outside the Bible, all the while being doubletongued and saying they agree with the Bible? Be "not doubletongued" (1 Tim. 3.8). The Holy Spirit is working today. The very serious question needs to be put to the Orthodox Presbyterians, why they reject the working of the Holy Spirit in the spirit of believers today which agrees with the Word of God? The answer is: to "control" through their system by the false teaching of calvinism (which is not orthodox in the true sense of this word), that is, the pride of believing one is premade for salvation like a robot or a machine. This is not love of the Lord, but an ugly pride that needs to be repented of. Please note: the website this quote was taken from is the lsm/lc cult. Sometimes, quotes are fabricated and translations are false to agree with its cult leader Witness Lee. The authority of Watchman Nee's writings are found at Christian Fellowship Publishers, the white covers.

2) The Watchman Nee web site also says this about Watchman Nee:

"Because of what he saw in the Word, he was exercised to live purely and singly by faith in God not only for his living, but also for every aspect of the Lord's work. Hence, he steadfastly refused employment by any person or organization."

Reformed Theology does not teach that any man, not even a minister of the Word, MUST live in poverty. In fact, Paul teaches that we should work in order that we may eat (2 Thess. 3:10-12). We should work and earn money so as to share with others who are in need, (Ephesians 4:28). Certainly Paul worked to help supplement his own income (Acts 18:3). And Paul taught that the one who labors in the word should receive payment for his work in the church (1 Cor. 9:9-11; see also 1 Tim. 5:17-18).

Watchman Nee should not be blamed because He gave everything to the Lord, even to the point of poverty, so nothing could be held against him (yet the calvinists still blame him, because Nee was osas arminian). This shows how he gave everything to God, even his wealth. When Nee needed to work, he did so, working at a company that he inherited; but thereafter, he sold the company and gave all the proceeds to the church. Paul did not receive an income from the church, so to say so is an abuse of 1 Cor. 9.9-11 and 1 Tim. 5.17-18.  Simply stated, those in the Work for the Church may receive gifts, but not incomes. Rather, a worker should get a job, then have expectations of those gifts or donations. Paul went to work for a time when he needed to raise funds but he never demanded payment or income from the church.

1Cr 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn. Is it for the oxen that God careth,
1Cr 9:10 or saith he it assuredly for our sake? Yea, for our sake it was written: because he that ploweth ought to plow in hope, and he that thresheth, [to thresh] in hope of partaking.
1Cr 9:11 If we sowed unto you spiritual things, is it a great matter if we shall reap your carnal things?

1Ti 5:17 Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching;
1Ti 5:18 for the scripture says, "You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain," and, "The laborer deserves his wages."

 

In these two sets of verses we do not see a demand for a salary for those in the work for the church. We see the allowance for a gifts or donations, and we see the need for the workers in the church to also have occupations in society when funds are needed. But we do not see the demand for the workers to draw a salary off the people. A double honor may be accounted a double gifting, but not a double salary since no salary is acceptable.

 

Watchman Nee makes this point well, when he writes, "Luke was a physician (Col. 4.14a), and Paul was a tentmaker (Acts 18.3). Tentmaking is different from fishing, in that it is manufacturing work. Whereas farming is a direct work, the labor of spinning, weaving, cutting or tentmaking involves an additional step in the laboring process, and is therefore manufacturing work. We may say that from the Old Testament to the New, God has made His arrangement for occupations. The disciples of the Lord were either farmers or shepherds or craftsmen or fishermen or manufacturers. We can add one more occupation, that of a laborer. For the New Testament does have this word: 'the laborer is worthy of his [wages]' (1 Tim. 5.18). A laborer is one who works with his hands in unskilled or manual labor. Such employment is also sanctioned in the Bible."

 

We can see how easily it is for men to twist the Word so that they can receive a $30,000 or $50,000 or $100,000 per year income from the church. Do not trust men's claims. See the Word.

3) Nee also believed "that, according to the Bible, denominations are wrong. . ." Certainly, denominations are not ideal. All Christians should have a visible witness of unity. But, unfortunately, there are differences of opinion in matters of faith and practice. And for conscience' sake, there must be different denominations of Christians who disagree over very simple practical issues. For instance, do we baptize babies or no? We Presbyterians say yes; our Baptist brethren say no. How would these two groups do church together? What would be the official policy on baptism?

That said, however, we should keep in mind that Reformed Theology does teach the unity of the church. For example, we believe that while our Reformed Baptist brethren worship in a different building than we do, and even though they don't baptize infants, we are still part of the same universal and invisible church. They are no less the body of Christ than we are. We might wish that it be otherwise, but, unfortunately, this side of glory, and for the sake of Christian liberty, denominations are necessary.

The writer for the Presbyterian Orthodox Church admits his sytem is "not ideal", so a reasonable question would be to ask, why does he settle instead of doing God's will? What naturally follows is the acceptance of an untruth: "there must be different denomations", and to discount the matter further to rationalize his position, "disagree over very simple practical issues". This is the approach of the flesh of men to discount and to settle. The Bible does not divide the church on denominations, doctrine, persons or nations. What is the only way by which the church divides? According to Biblical localities. Therefore, when there are differences, they are contained within the Biblical locality and do not spread like an infection to other localities by way of a denomination, which would be like the carrier of the disease.

On the matter of babies. You should not baptize babies because it is not found in the Word of God, so it is an overassuming. Baptism occurs when the person willingly does it, and is not forced or done pretentiously. Under Biblical locality, as revealed in the Word and taught by Watchman Nee, the Baptists and the Presbyterians would need to stand side by side to resolve their differences rather than dividing the church falsely. Men are simply too comfortable in their divisions. God's way is according to Biblical locality, i.e. church of Ephesus in the churches of Asia Minor or the church of Jerusalem in the churches of Judea or the church of Dallas in the churches of Texas.

Reformed Theology (Sardis revivals - akin to filling a glass with less water each time after it is emptied) may preach unity of the church but does not actually accept unity, otherwise, it would not divide the church falsely as described. The unity of the church is according to Biblical locality as the local expression of the church, and as a miniature of the new city in the new earth.

God has foretold of these denominational problems in the 7 church periods of the past 20 centuries (see Rev. 2 & 3). Soon after the first (and second) centuries the first love was lost of the Ephesus church period of Biblical locality. Before Christ returns, it shall be restored as the foundation by which Christ will reign with His overcomers during the millennial kingdom over cities and remote areas.

4) Watchman Nee's influences seemed to have been associated with the Plymouth Brethren and the writings of John Darby. These folks basically taught that office in the church was unbiblical. So, he didn't believe in churches governed by elders as we Reformed do. Also, going hand in hand with these influences would have been the approach to interpreting the Bible called "dispensationalism." Reformed theology does not adhere to this method of interpretation, but rather believes in what is called "Covenant Theology."

John Darby and the Plymouth Brethren did not teach that the office in the church was unBiblical. To accuse as such is simply the sin of bearing false witness. There is both the Work and the Church. Watchman Nee (see his 3 volume work - The Church and the Work) believed the apostles as in the NT, appointed elders to take care of Biblical localities (the churches). Reformed do not believe this but as stated before, divide the church falsely exceeding the boundary of Biblical locality.

Regarding the matter of God's working in time, called dispensationalism, who can deny this? Dispensationalists believe in the covenant working through time. A false fruit in not believing this would be the accusation against dispensationalists. What this reveals is vague accusations are the tool of the great accuser.

The basic difference between the two systems of reading the Bible is that dispensationalism divides the Bible up into different ways in which God saves his people. Covenant Theology believes that there is only one way in which man is saved by God from the fall to the return of Christ; and that is by grace alone, through faith alone, because of Christ alone. For further reading in the differences between dispensationalism and covenant theology, see A Primer on Dispensationalism by John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (second edition) by John H. Gerstner with Don Kistler, Dispensationalism: Rightly Dividing the People of God? by Keith A. Mathison, and Understanding Dispensationalists by Vern S. Poythress.

Dispensations do not divide the Bible into different ways in which God saves His people. To say so would again be that infamous sin of bearing false witness, showing something is wrong with the accuser. Whether looking to the cross and back at that eternal cross, the way of salvation is the same. Though the Holy Spirit did not come to indwell the believers before the cross as the veil was not rent, they may still receive new life if they believed and repented to God to receive Gods gift of eternal life through His saving grace. The new covenant has been given to Christians beforehand, before Israel will receive their covenant promise to be at the center of all nations.

We need to look deeper now at what is really going on with these false accusations. What is motivating them? It is as follows. Often times when people argue, they are actually arguing for something other than what the surface argument is. Here we see the Presbyterians arguing that dispensationalism is wrong with their wrong assumptions about what dispensations are. So therefore, they are really arguing something else. What is it? It is none other than calvinism, that pride of their believing they were premade for salvation, and quite often the matter of historicalism, in having no faith to believe that Christ will return to reign in Person for 1000 years (Rev. 20.2-7). Historicalists consider this time now of horrendous atrocities and warring nations to be the millennial peace and that Christ is reigning with an iron rod. How could a regenerated conscience in Christ believe this? Yet none see His return in Person on the mount of olives. There has not been an army of 200 million amassed in the middle east (Rev. 9.16) and 1/3 of the people of earth have not died in a Great Tribulation (v.18). Why do Presbyterians blunt the solemn warning at the end of this age? It is because they have not received revelation from God in agreement with the Word. Therefore, there will be many who profess false christs having already arrived. The kingdom of God is in believers now, but its manifestation in rewards of reigning with Christ in the millennium will occur when Christ returns. Praise the Lord!

Well, this should give you some basics. So as not to sound uncharitable, however, I would also recognize that Watchman Nee was used by the Lord in a very powerful way to spread the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Nee apparently believed that many people in China were relying upon their works to gain eternal life, but his emphasis in preaching was upon the finished work of Jesus Christ. And for that work we rejoice and thank God.

Not to sound uncharitable; in no way I am saying here that all Presbyterians are unsaved, only that a great many of them were never regenerated and would be considered the tares (Matt. 13). Watchman Nee did not see those in China operating on works as much as the problem of the western missionaries bringing in the same old false teaching of dividing the church falsely. The church in China was quite adept at accepting both substitionary work of Christ as well as co-crucifixion. This allowed for other truths to open up such as partial rapture, Biblical locality, tripartite man, osas arminian and restoration of creation; whereas these truths seem to have all been but lost in western denominations.

Love, in Christ,

Troy Brooks