Satan's Pawn - Daniel Chew Huicong (unsaved)

Sex: Male
Year of Birth: 1982
Religion: Calvinism Heresy; Denies Original Sin, and is a Killer of the Image of God
Ethnicity: Chinese
Nationality: Singaporean

Christian View (Troy): Against Pelagianism-"It denied original sin and affirmed the ability of humans to be righteous by the exercise of free will." I do not believe this since I am a Christian. I believe the original sin was disobedience to God which caused Adam to fall. I also deny that humans can be righteous by exercising their will unto themselves and out of themselves from the flesh; that is why we need to come to the cross as helpless sinners to receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

We are able to come to the cross as helpless sinners (John 3.16,18) because we were first made in the image of God out of His glory, and though fallen, we are not totally deprave, otherwise man would be just a robot premade for salvation like a machine, which does not glorify God, but Satan. God wants to walk with those who choose His Redemption, so He need not premake robots to be with. Calvinists need to repent of their unreformed and impure teaching: this heresy, puffed-up pride, of calvinism where they think they were the chosen nation to which they were premade, preprogrammed and pre-selected to not be able to resist God's grace-unconditionally-because they are the limited atonement. This belief rejects God's atonement for the sins of the whole world. God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10.34). He desires to save all men, though not all choose to receive His loving gift. I don't believe most calvinists have accepting the free-gift of salvation.

Why do some calvinists need to accuse a Christian of being a pelagian when she or he is not? It is because they can't wrap around their tiny brain that a Christian is in agreement with the teaching of osas arminian. They only see arminians believing in non-osas, even though there are calvinist sites, and quite popular ones, that admit most arminians are in fact OSAS. For example this page takes some information from a calvinist site that states that a large portion of arminians believe in OSAS. Daniel Chew keeps pressing the idea of the incompatibility of the 4 points of arminian with OSAS. Discern this: he only accuses by self-declaration, for he can never show it. He just assumes it. It becomes his own cornerstone of truth, but his world crumbles around him when he has been shown how he is wrong. This is why he first posted our discussions on his site to rationalize himself further. He was probably hoping I would not respond. Let it be stated for the record that Arminius himself said, It is not that he believed one could lose eternal life, but that it seemed like some verses pointed to a person possibly losing salvation. He never actually believed it. Hence, Arminius held the view of OSAS. What he overlooked, if anything, was that those verses were speaking of losing rewards or reigning in the millennium, not lose salvation (eternal life).

To pinpoint in a number of steps how the calvinist goes wrong we must first observe their legalism: they say they are totally deprave, so therefore, they are not made in the image of God anymore since the image of God is not totally deprave. They attempt to kill the image of God in which they are made, not realizing the image of God can never be destroyed. We always and forever are made in God's image. The calvinist will avoid this point unendingly because it requires they fess up to their conscience, and that is a painful thing to do. Now, since we are still made in the image of God, we therefore, can come to the cross as a helpless sinner as God draws us, though not by the will of the flesh, but by that part of the will of being made in God's image. These two are separate components of our being. A calvinist can't splice this difference of the will of being made in God's image from the will of the flesh, but considers them one in the same. Legalists can't discern this or sense it: they hold an all or nothing proposition which is entirely too restrictive. They all think they are totally deprave, which is a different meaning than being fallen. Fallen means our flesh is utterly corrupted and can never be resolved or fixed so that we need to be saved through the atonement and co-death (the flesh dies on the cross); not that we are not made in God's image or that we can't come to the cross from that image. We remain created in God's image and can choose the cross to activate the gift of faith and be saved by God's grace.

This is a beautiful truth which I pray some calvinists receive so they may be saved one day.

The cause and effect is God's Spirit first breathed into man's body to create the soul life. This may be considered first grace or the first gift or the first cause. Then man falls and needs salvation. John 3.16,18 says we may be saved ("whosoever believeth") if we believe in Jesus. Thus, God predestinated us by foreknowing our free-choice (Rom. 8.29). Since God has infinite foreknowledge, He can foresee whether we will come to the cross or not. God need not be debased into being unable to predestinate by foreknowledge for that would be a lesser god of calvinism who would require the person be preprogrammed to choose.

The reason I agree with the position of OSAS arminian does not come by way of self, but it is revelation from God by the Holy Spirit in agreement with the Word Christ Jesus. The 4 points of osas arminian are: (1) ability or choice made in God's image to receive the cross by being drawn by God; (2) election is conditional based on the choice we make in God's image; (3) atonement is for the sins of the whole world, it is unlimited because God is unlimited; (4) if we choose to resist God's grace we can do so for God does not make automatons; and (5) God preserves the saints forever because He has the foreknowledge whom to give His life to. Authentic choice to choose salvation that can never be lost receives authentic life.

Solution: You might consider reading a deeper spiritual Christian such as Watchman Nee (CFP white covers) to experience the dividing of your spirit, soul and body in order to get you out of your head and into your spirit.

Troy: Gnosticism is "the world and our bodies were created by an incompetent lesser God, but we contain a spark of divinity, and Jesus provided us with the knowledge to free it". This does not refer to, "for the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and spirit, of joints and marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart" (Heb. 4.12). Gnosticism is saying we were created by an incompetent lesser God. The fact that we have a spirit, soul and body is not gnosticism, but the very Word of God explaining our very being. "May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Heb. 4.12). It is not true at all that soul is sinful and the spirit not. This is a misrepresentation of our soul and spirit by Daniel. In an unsaved person, the spirit is no less unsaved than the soul. This shows Daniel does not understand we have a spirit, soul and body and what these parts of our being are. Wow!

Do you find it hypocritical that Daniel says he does not accuse someone of unsalvation, when he accused of "unregenerate mind"? An unregenerated mind is an unsaved one. Also, do you have fear of going to hell if you are saved? Daniel says a person can go to hell if they are saved, that is, they can lose salvation. This is a false teaching. I have eternal life, so I have no fear of this, even though my non-Christian accuser says it can still happen.

I do not contest the unsalvation of Daniel Chew Huicong, since no contesting is required when you know something. However, I did try to help this lost soul, but he still refuses the truth. Notice his sinful accusation, "taking the Lord's name in vain." I never did, nor can he show it in his accusation. The accusation is a sin, the sin of bearing false witness. As shown in the summary above, I am not Pelagian, but a Christian (osas arminian). I do not deny the original sin. And I am not a gnostic, since I do not believe that I was created by a lesser god. I was created by God of the Bible. But, Daniel Chew does believe in a lesser god, because he believes God does not have the infinite foreknowledge in Rom. 8.29 to foresee our choice of whether we come to the cross or not. In calvinism, his lesser god can only premake robots.

In the fallen nature, the spirit is just as sinful as the soul, but the pawn of Satan accuses falsely, "he splits the soul and the spirit to the extant that the soul is sinful but the spirit is not." I do not do this, since the spirit is just as fallen as the soul in the unsaved. These misrepresentations are not Christ-like behavior at all. Remember, that is all Satan really has is to sin as the great accuser accusing falsely. He has no substance, just accusation. Why is it that Daniel Chew can accuse others of misrepresenting him (though unable to show it), while he misrepresents others? This is duplicity.

The truth I speak to Daniel is to help him, because I don't want him to go to hell, and I know he is not saved as at the time of this writing. I do not condemn him to hell, he condemns himself to hell. He should not blame me for the choice he has made for himself. The Christ-like approach is to tell someone they need to be saved so they stop their pretentious behavior, even pretending they are saved. It is fake.

Notice very clearly we are dealing with someone who is unsaved, because he accuses me of unsalvation, which is really doubletongued, since from his own stance you are not suppose to do that. He said, "an unregenerate mind," which is to say the person is unsaved. Unethical people will accuse others not to do something, then turn right around and do it themselves. This is not love. He even had the gall to self-declare to himself, "I have never once attacked a person immediately." Boy, will God judge him for that one! When I knew that Daniel Chew was unsaved, it was God's will to let him know that he needed to be born-again through me. However quickly the Holy Spirit works should not be blamed. The Holy Spirit works through me quickly in discerning the spirits. Just because Daniel Chew may be slow in his own discernment does not slow down the Holy Spirit at all from working in His children.

Daniel Chew takes offense to how quickly the Holy Spirit revealed his unsalvation. It is Daniel's hope that in knowing his unsalvation, it was by first sight. It is not the case at all. God by the Holy Spirit revealed the unsalvation of Daniel Chew after much consideration, but to Daniel it seemed almost infinitely quick. According to Matthew 7.15-20, we know his fruit is false, misusing these verses and harboring calvinism. The negative consequence is not only his own unsalvation in overbearing pride of thinking he was premade for salvation, but it turns people away from Christ. It may even cause some Christians to remain carnal. Either way, it has no good fruit from a good tree.

It is Daniel Chew's hope that his position is misrepresented, but he is never able to show it. He refuses to let go of the heresy of believing that he is totally deprave, needing to be premade for salvation like a robot because he says he is not made in God's image to be able to come to the cross and be drawn by God. This is actually what he believes.

Let us make no mistake here, Daniel Chew is absolutely accusing me of being unsaved, for he said "otherwise his destination would be hell." Since Daniel believes a salvation can never be lost, this means he is claiming I am unsaved. Am I unsaved? Or is he unsaved? He believes that salvation can never be lost for him because he was premade to choose the cross, since he could not by the image of God choose the cross due to being totally deprave. Since God's image is not totally deprave we know Daniel Chew is not born-again. Indeed, salvation can never be lost, but preservation of the saints is not preprogramming robots to be saved so the robot is saved forever.

What we also learn is one who is a pawn for Satan will pray for Satan as though he is God: Daniel Chew writes, "It is my prayer that God may have mercy upon his soul and bring him to repentance; otherwise his destination would be hell and eternal damnation in the lake of fire." How precious is God's Word for God refers to these who try to look like the wheat as the tares. He promises in Matthew 13 He will put His sickle to them. Isn't that an amazing revelation of the Spirit, that the tares will appear to be praying to God, but they will be sickled! Never underestimate the evil in calvinism! Never.

Troy: As we have seen Daniel Chew is a full red-blooded calvinist who is himself gnostic. Though he will never repent, may others who do come across him not be deceived by his heresy. Search engines will find this page. The advantage is not by last word, even the attempt by Daniel Chew Huicong at his last word, which I was not given opportunity to respond to unless I found the page. The advantage is given by truth. Truth is that we are not totally deprave and never will be because we are made in God's image. The accuser will repeat an accusation many times over; this is how belligerent a pawn of Satan is. Daniel Chew denies original sin for original sin does not make one totally deprave, but fallen, needing salvation, not a zombie.

God says He will save those who receive His Son, which means not all sinners deserve hell; some sinners will be saved. Catching small soundbites are used to sin bearing false witness by Satan's pawns. You are probably wanting to find out what I said in connection with these words. Well, here it is, the full paragraph:

You also erred by saying that all sinners deserve hell, so your god saves some of them because he premade them that way by an unconditional election rather than forseeing the choice of men, which mistreats the others that God does not save. He is treating both groups unequally. This is why God does not save this way. Instead God died on the cross for the sins of the whole world and all people. Not all people are saved because not all people receive the cross. Do you see why it is wrong to say out of all the sinners, God picks out some to save making them elect by premaking them that way. This is an unequal yoking and it puffs you up. What you are showing me is a works of your flesh in working so hard to try to convince yourself you are one of those premade for salvation and God does not equally treat others the same. You are utterly oblivious that this is happening to you. This is the most evil teaching in the history of Satan's infiltration into the Church that you are under. There is none more beguiling and cunning, in your head, without the spirit's quickening.

We must understand why Daniel Chew says all sinners deserve to be unsaved, because it does not mean the same thing to a Christian. He is saying what he believes because he thinks men are totally deprave, which means to him, that he requires that he is no longer made in God's image, so God would have had to premake him for salvation: unconditionally elected, irresistible grace, limited atonement: may you see these are evil words. He has tried to single handedly kill the image of God. Very tragic.

Just a few days before I had a talk with a monergistic calvinist who said, on April 1, 2006, "You cannot consistently say that God foreknew who would be saved and then preach that God is trying to save every man". Here we see the calvinist directly is against the word of Scriptures which say God died for the sins of the whole world and every man. There is not one man whom Jesus did not die for. The cross covers all sin and all men though not all men accept salvation: resisting God's grace. God foreknows our choice (Rom. 8.29). But righteously, God is required according to His way of doing things to abide in not coercing others to believe. God does not want to walk with coerced. Daniel Chew does not believe in God's omnipotent all-knowing. This means he is gnostic, believing we were created by a lesser god. The is the very sad result of limited atonement, that instead of God being able to foreknow, He must premake the person to grace irresistibly and unconditionally like a robot. This is why Chew can not accept that God's foreknowledge does not actually mean foreknowledge (Rom. 8.29). Preselectionism pride is the preferred belief of the unregenerated. He should immediately ask himself why he makes it so convenient for himself that he is not premade for hell? It's pride manifested is all it is from the legalism of total depravity.

Troy (email, April 3, 2006) : Most arminians (not all) believe in Preservation of the Saints. Don't be afraid of this. Realize what you have been doing all your life. You have been rationalizing calivinism monergism falsely (there is no way to rationalize truthfully its falsehood). You do this by sinning bearing false witness against Christians (OSAS arminians) by way of self-declarations unjustified, in various ways like claiming they (we) don't believe in Preservation of the Saints (OSAS) with words like, "divorce of justification from sanctification in the lives of true believers". Know that Arminians do not have libertarian free-will, but calvinists do, for calvinist declare by their own free-will they are premade for salvation like robots. Thank the Lord self-declarations are not true, but selfish and self-centered. Why do you do this? It is to cover up the lie in your heart about what you really believe. It is a misdirection if you will.

That lie is the lie in the pride of your thinking you are premade for salvation like a robot as explained here,

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/calvinists3.htm

You should repent and receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior. I tell you this all unapologetically.

A Christian (osas arminian) may lose rewards of the kingdom for not letting God work a complete work in the believer unto overcoming. God deals with this lack through loss of rewards in outer darkness, outside the light of rewards of reigning with Christ for the 1000 years.

Also, Christians believe in justification by faith as well as sanctification by faith. We are sanctified (cleansed) through faith in Christ bringing in God's grace. Both sanctification and justification are not divorced. So this is another problem you have in sinning bearing false witness. You can see why God has a big problem with judging, for it is the judger that is so often wrong.

As a consequence of what you believe, you would not be saved for you claim you were saved another way. If you commit crime, war, hate, murder, these are most likely your false fruit we know you by. You may claim you were made this way as a result of your calvinism regeneration, but this more likely is just your unsalvation: a false salvation of the tares who try to look like the wheat.

So you can see why OSAS arminian preservation of the saints (OSAS eternal security) is better because unlike calvinism, it does not separate justification and sanctification. Calvinism splits these two by claiming the former and no matter what sin it engages in, it just self-declares the latter, not realizing the former was not actually accomplished in the first place by the grace of God because of saying salvation is by premaking like robots (that is, saving first before the choice of John 3.16).

May you see one day that God has accountability. Under calvinism there is no accountability just prideful self-declarations. Righteously God has accountability through the millennial period. There is no such recourse under calvinism, and thus what happens is your lower your conscience and presume you are abiding, when in fact you are not, but getting farther and farther into deception, because there is no consequences. This is the libertarian free-will that is masked in roboticism.

Obviously this will never glorify God.

Did you know the Holy Spirit has revealed to me you have never been born-again?

Daniel Chew (April 3, 2006): I appreciate your feedback. However, it seems to me that you are very confused over this issue. I would assume that no one has ever pointed out the truth to you.

Let me first start off by stating that your letter to me, together with what you have put on your website, shows your ignorance of what Calvinism and Arminianism really is. I really do not appreciate your strawman caricature of my position, and that of the historical Christian faith. Thus said, I would assume that do not know otherwise and would be receptive to correction regarding your presentation of my position.

From your feedback, I can see that you perhaps are primarily objecting to my article on the difference between the Arminian doctrine of Once saved, always saved and the Reformed doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints. If you would just read it properly, you would see that my primary target in this article are the 4 point Arminians like that of Dave Hunt or Norman Geisler, and other like them in the Southern Baptist Convention who believe in easy-believism. In fact, the fact that such carnal "Christians" exist gives a sort of legetimacy of ministries like Dan Corner of Evangelical Outreach ministries who are full blown Arminians.

That said, I would like to show you a presentation of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. You can see for yourself that Calvinism does not eqate to or imply 'roboticism'. God gave us free will, but our wills are kept in bondage and slavery to sin, thus we can't choose God unless God chose us first and regenerates us by the Holy Spirit. God did not choose some innocent people to go to heaven and others to go to hell, but God choose sinners who are ALREADY condemned to hell and saved them so that they can go to heaven.

I would now respond to your allegations in your email:

You have been rationalizing calivinism monergism falsely (there is no way to rationalize truthfully its falsehood). You do this by sinning bearing false witness against Christians (OSAS arminians) by way of self-declarations unjustified, in various ways like claiming they (we) don't believe in Preservation of the Saints (OSAS) with words like, "divorce of justification from sanctification in the lives of true believers".

If you believe in OSAS as an Arminian, can you please tell me why is it that a person who is justified must be sanctified? Why can't the person choose NOT to be sanctified? After all, he has free will , doesn't he? Also, what is your basis for believing that a person once saved remains saved (OSAS), since the person can still choose by his own free will to reject Christ after his salvation?

Know that Arminians do not have libertarian free-will, but calvinists do, for calvinist declare by their own free-will they are premade for salvation like robots.

The definition of livertarian free will is that a person has the free will to choose anything and everything, even those things that are contrary to his nature. Arminians DO believe in libertarian free will since they believe that they can choose God even though they are sinful in nature, whereas we Christians deny libertarian free will since we believe that we are slaves to sin (Jn. 8:34) and unable to choose God unless God chooses us first.Calvinists DO NOT declare by their own free will that we are 'premade for salvation like robots'. We are not made for salvation, we are chosen. All of us are born ('made') depraved and sinful. Only God is the one who chooses some of us sinners and save us, all because of his glorious grace.(Eph. 1:4-6).

Thank the Lord self-declarations are not true, but selfish and self-centered. Why do you do this? It is to cover up the lie in your heart about what you really believe. It is a misdirection if you will

I do what I do because I am convinced by the Holy Spirit from Scripture that this is the truth. I worship a God who is great and mighty, who is sovereign over all creatures, and have saved me from myself in spite of my unloveliness and uncleanliness, and saved me even despite my hatred of Him then.

That lie is the lie in the pride of your thinking you are premade for salvation like a robot as explained here

A total strawman. Read my article on soteriology and then try again. We were not premade for heaven, we were chosen to be saved by God and are saved while we were on the road to hell. From the article that you have written and referenced, I can see that you deny the doctrine of total depravity. Perhaps you might want to consider the Bible's teachings on the depravity of Man in Ps. 14:2-3 and Rom. 3:10-18, which states explicitly that Man does not seek after God on his own.

A Christian (osas arminian) may lose rewards of the kingdom for not letting God work a complete work in the believer unto overcoming. God deals with this lack through loss of rewards in outer darkness, outside the light of rewards of reigning with Christ for the 1000 years.

You are assuming dispensationalism, and a particlar brand of that also, here.

Also, Christians believe in justification by faith as well as sanctification by faith. We are sanctified (cleansed) through faith in Christ bringing in God's grace. Both sanctification and justification are not divorced.

When I mean that a modern-day Arminian like Dave Hunt divorces justification from sanctification, I DO NOT mean that they are not both by faith. What I meant is that in such a view, a person can be justified but may not undergo the process of sanctification. In other words, sanctification is optional in the life of a Christian, though he/she may lose many rewards because of this, as per what you have said in the passage preceeding this.

So this is another problem you have in sinning bearing false witness. You can see why God has a big problem with judging, for it is the judger that is so often wrong.

Perhaps, but judging from the number of strawmen that I am seeing in this email, I suspect the charge of bearing false witness could apply to you

As a consequence of what you believe, you would not be saved for you claim you were saved another way. If you commit crime, war, hate, murder, these are most likely your false fruit we know you by.

I, and all other Calvinists, are saved through our belief and acceptance of the atoning blood of Jesus Christ which He shed on the Cross for all believers. I honestly do not know what 'other way' you are talking about. I have stated in my OSAS article that we Calvinists do not divorce justification from sanctification, thus we believe that all who are saved will grow in holiness in Christ, otherwise we do not regard them as being saved at all (1 Jn. 2:19). In fact, your argument of knowing by false fruit is the argument made by Dan Corner, who uses that to argue against OSAS and say that it is a damnable doctrine that brings people to hell.

Calvinism splits these two by claiming the former and no matter what sin it engages in, it just self-declares the latter, not realizing the former was not actually accomplished in the first place by the grace of God because of saying salvation is by premaking like robots

This is a strawman!!. Show me one Calvinist which believes in this type of trash and I will show you an unbeliever. We are saved when we believe in Christ, not by 'premaking like robots'. However, this is accomplished by God the Father choosing us believers before the foundation of the world, the Son atoning for us believers, and the Holy Spirit regenerating us (born-again) so that we have faith to choose Christ.

This is the libertarian free-will that is masked in roboticism

Perhaps you can learn how to use the phrase libertarian free will properly, now that you are informed of its correct definition?

Thank the Lord self-declarations are not true, but selfish and self-centered. Why do you do this? It is to cover up the lie in your heart about what you really believe. It is a misdirection if you will ...
You should repent and receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior. I tell you this all unapologetically. ...
You may claim you were made this way as a result of your calvinism regeneration, but this more likely is just your unsalvation: a false salvation of the tares who try to look like the wheat. ...
There is no such recourse under calvinism, and thus what happens is your lower your conscience and presume you are abiding, when in fact you are not, but getting farther and farther into deception, because there is no consequences. ...
Did you know the Holy Spirit has revealed to me you have never been born-again?

Besides the fact that all these phrases commit the ad-hominen fallacy, I do not think that you have the right to question my motives - to say that I am covering up the truth which I 'actually believe in' (according to you). I think also that you are being judgmental when you declare me an unbeliever without valid proof, and furthermore, by invoking the Holy Spirit and saying that He has revealed it to you is firstly, blasphemy, since it is false. Secondly, it is a denial of Sola Scriptura or Scripture alone for you to claim extrabiblical revelation.

(Also, for a refutation of your misusage of Rom. 8:28-30, you can look at http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/ddd_chc82/theology/Review_anti_Calvinism.html - the first part. Foreknew is NOT equal to foreknowledge, if you read the Greek. Also, from your articles, I see that you make the error of assuming that responsibility implies ability, which is ridiculous since God does demands things of us which we can't do - i.e. God demands that we are holy but we can never be holy.)

It is my wish that you sincerely give heed to what I have said and at least stop misrepresenting us. If you want to refute what I have written, the very least you could do is to represent Calvinism properly, and also take care of your logical (nevemind biblical) inconsistency when Dan Corner and co. come knocking at your back door for your embrace of the doctrine of eterny security.

The 4 points of arminian are not easy believism, but God's way of salvation along with preservation of the saints (OSAS) as taught by Christians (osas arminians). The 4 points of calvinism are easy believism, for it says to delude yourself that you are premade for salvation like a robot, then you are saved, not requiring true repentance to come to the cross. How easier could it be!

I am not a name dropper like yourself as that is merely looking onto men for your answers instead of the Word of God. I do not consider the class that you put yourself into as even being carnal Christians, but rather the unsaved tares who try to look like the wheat. You should know this about yourself so as to be saved according to God's way.

> That said, I would like to show you a presentation of the true Gospel of
> Jesus Christ.
> . You can see for yourself that Calvinism does not eqate to or imply
> 'roboticism'. God gave us free will, but our wills are kept in bondage and
> slavery to sin, thus we can't choose God unless God chose us first and
> regenerates us by the Holy Spirit. God did not choose some innocent people
> to go to heaven and others to go to hell, but God choose sinners who are
> ALREADY condemned to hell and saved them so that they can go to heaven.

You wrote, "With the knowledge of total depravity, we can see why election is actually such a precious and glorious doctrine." But, total depravity is false, since though we are fallen, we are not totally deprave because if it was so, we would not be made in God's image with a right to come to the cross to receive God's saving grace. You see God's image, directly contradicts the false teaching of total depravity. The reason why calvinism is a lie is because of these two words: total depravity which aim to kill the image of God. And we see this killing here when you wrote, that Jacob was chosen and Esau was not because of God's "foreseen faith or absence of it." Yet, Romans 8.29 says, God predestinates by foreknowledge: "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate". You see before you said God has not "foreseen" the choice of Jacob or Esau. This means, you do not have faith in God's infinite foreknoledge spoken of in v.29. First He foreknew then He predestined whom He foreknew. How does He foreknow then is the question. How does anyone foreknow? I do not foreknow something by premaking it like a robot to turn out a certain way, for that is without life. Instead, God would foreknow the choice of His creation.

Same old story. You're preaching a false salvation. You can't see it because your spirit is dead to God. You don't want to believe that God saves by leading us by the Holy Spirit to come to the cross in which His foresight foresees the choice we make. We are chosen and elect conditionally. This is the sense you get also in the books when they are opened. Some are blotted out who were first in those books. It is because the choice is made to continue to refuse God's grace, not because they were premade that way to go to hell. Understand clearly your conscience can't sense why this is wrong. This is why you need to be born-again, so you can have a new spirit that can sense it.

We do not choose Christ by the fallen will, but by the will made in God's image which we are still made in. I know this is hard to get your head around, but your head is the problem. God's image is not fallen. You would have to kill the image of God to require that your god premake you for salvation before you could believe, since you say men can not choose from the grace given by being made in God's image. Thus you kill God's image and worship another. The Bible does not ask you to believe because you are saved already, but asks you to believe because you are not saved. First you must believe. This is proper cause and effect.

You also erred by saying that all sinners deserve hell, so your god saves some of them because he premade them that way by an unconditional election rather than forseeing the choice of men, which mistreats the others that God does not save. He is treating both groups unequally. This is why God does not save this way. Instead God died on the cross for the sins of the whole world and all people. Not all people are saved because not all people receive the cross. Do you see why it is wrong to say out of all the sinners, God picks out some to save making them elect by premaking them that way. This is an unequal yoking and it puffs you up. What you are showing me is a works of your flesh in working so hard to try to convince yourself you are one of those premade for salvation and God does not equally treat others the same. You are utterly obvliously that this is happening to you. This is the most evil teaching in the history of Satan's infiltration into the Church that you are under. There is none more beguiling and cunning, in your head without the spirit's quickening.

> I would now respond to your allegations in your email:
>
> You have been rationalizing calivinism monergism falsely (there is no way to
> rationalize truthfully its falsehood). You do this by sinning bearing false
> witness against Christians (OSAS arminians) by way of self-declarations
> unjustified, in various ways like claiming they (we) don't believe in
> Preservation of the Saints (OSAS) with words like, "divorce of justification
> from sanctification in the lives of true believers".

> If you believe in OSAS as an Arminian, can you please tell me why is it that
> a person who is justified must be sanctified? Why can't the person choose
> NOT to be sanctified? After all, he has free will , doesn't he? Also, what
> is your basis for believing that a person once saved remains saved (OSAS),
> since the person can still choose by his own free will to reject Christ
> after his salvation?

A person who is justified by faith to receive the blood of Christ to wash away sins is also instantly sanctified by faith, that is, cleansed and made holy before God. This is the meaning of sanctification by faith. If we are right before God, it is because we are also cleansed before God's eyes. Our being right before God is our being justified. Our being cleansed before God, is our sanctification by faith. If anything is lacking in a believer, it is consecration, setting himself apart for God, which not all Christians do, so not all believers will receive rewards. Christians accept the atonement for forgiveness of sins but lack the co-death experience of that accomplished fact. A person can choose to be carnal though still saved because of lacking consecration, but not because of sanctification, because before God the believer is clean; this is why the Holy Spirit is able to enter into the spirit of the man because it has been made new, it has been sanctified by the precious blood. The crosswork deals with our co-death allowing us to overcome self, whereas the blood washes away all defiling sin. Your problem is a matter of perspective. From God's eyes we are sanctified for entering into the new creation, but this does not mean we have erradicated the sin nature. It is still there and rears its ugly head as long as the flesh remains, which is why we need the cross to work a deeper incision. Having already died on the Christ will cross now what is needed is for the Holy Spirit to apply the cross to our lives as we work out our salvation. Again, your problem is a matter of perspective. God foreknows all things so He can foresee whom to give eternal life to. He foresaw that I would authentically come to the cross so that He would give me His life. This is how I know I was chosen, and I know I can never lose my salvation. I will never deny the Son of God, because I am chosen, not because I was saved first, then I believed, for I was not saved before I believed. I was chosen because God foresaw what I would do after He made me in His image. He even foresaw my choice before creation itself. This is not so difficult to understand unless you are possessed by the demon of calvinism teaching you about premaking robots, then it makes it exceedingly difficult for you to receive regeneration. God knows my will is forever in Him. He knows I will never doubt Him. This is why He chose me in foreknowing that I would never leave Him forever as His Holy Spirit increases my faith daily.

There are several hundred million of those who believe just as you do, and are no less unsaved. This does not mean every single last calvinist is unsaved but certainly the ration is no better than 1 in 100 since God simply does not save that way. They claim another way of salvation that is diabolically oppossed to God's love.

> Know that Arminians do not have libertarian free-will, but calvinists do,
> for calvinist declare by their own free-will they are premade for salvation
> like robots.
>
> The definition of livertarian free will is that a person has the free will
> to choose anything and everything, even those things that are contrary to
> his nature. Arminians DO believe in libertarian free will since they believe
> that they can choose God even though they are sinful in nature, whereas we
> Christians deny libertarian free will since we believe that we are slaves to
> sin (Jn. 8:34) and unable to choose God unless God chooses us
> first.Calvinists DO NOT declare by their own free will that we are 'premade
> for salvation like robots'. We are not made for salvation, we are chosen.
> All of us are born ('made') depraved and sinful. Only God is the one who
> chooses some of us sinners and save us, all because of his glorious
> grace.(Eph. 1:4-6).

Here then we see the libertarian free will at work in calvinism, for the calvinist by that libertarian free-will presupposes upon himself demands being premade for salvation like robots. How much more libertarian can you get than that in practice? OSAS arminians do not believe in libertarian free-will, but that we are made in God's image and that our will is either in in Christ or in Satan. It is under one or the other. If one is unsaved it is under Satan. If under Christ the will is renewed. Before salvation the will is fallen, but within excluding the will of the flesh leaves a component will made in God's image. This is how we are able to come to the cross. God foreknew this way to make us in His image to afford us this right no matter how fallen we had become, the right remained to receive redemption through Christ. As we had seen previously God chooses by foreseeing our choice. The flesh can't choose Christ, but the image of God can. Do you notice how every time I mention this, you will in your heart shut your mind down to this fact. You just can't fathom how man is made in God's image to choose, and so like a bad lawyer you must think to yourself that you were premade that way like a robot. This is evil and exclusionary. Your being chosen is being premade for you claim you were saved first before you could believe. This is how I know you by your false fruit when you say this. God says believe first, then He saves. You say you are saved first like a robot, then you can believe like a robot switch turned on. This is the essence of roboticism. Your issue is with the Word which says predestination is by foreknowledge, not by premaking. Your faith is not compatible with God's loving Word. Your words do betray you. We shall know them by their fruit - your words.

> Thank the Lord self-declarations are not true, but selfish and
> self-centered. Why do you do this? It is to cover up the lie in your
> heart about what you really believe. It is a misdirection if you will
>
> I do what I do because I am convinced by the Holy Spirit from Scripture that
> this is the truth. I worship a God who is great and mighty, who is sovereign
> over all creatures, and have saved me from myself in spite of my
> unloveliness and uncleanliness, and saved me even despite my hatred of Him
> then.

There are many who say they are Christians but are no more saved than an atheist or beliefs of other religions. In fact there condition is worse because they came so close to the truth and still reject it. Through history there has always been your mentality of the chosen race. Many claim the Holy Spirit but have not actually been born-again. This is why God speaks about the unsaved tares who try to look like the wheat in Matthew 13. He will put His sickle to them. They are in the sphere of the kingdom, but not saved. They operate in our church buildings, but they are fake. You worship a god who you claim premade you like a robot for salvation for you said he saved you first then like a robot that needs its wires plugged in could follow. It is not the case at all, for this does not glorify God at all. God does not want to be with robots, but the glory is in making man in His image and seeing His image accept or deny the redemption. Those that accept are those He wants to be with. He wanted to be with us all, but not all believe, not because they were premade not to believe, but because they chose in His image not to receive salvation. You choose not to receive salvation because you said you were premade by God to save you first before you could believe. Hell is what awaits you unless you can repent to the cross. How long have you been living this lie. It is like in the movie the Matrix they say not to release a person past a certain age because it will be so abrupt on the person's system. The same is true for you, you have to be released, but in so doing it will be a most painful experience because you have deceived yourself all these years. It will be a massive shock to your system, but when you come out on the other side, great blessing is before you if want to enter into the new creation.

> That lie is the lie in the pride of your thinking you are premade for
> salvation like a robot as explained here
>
> A total strawman. Read my article on soteriology and then try again. We were
> not premade for heaven, we were chosen to be saved by God and are saved
> while we were on the road to hell. From the article that you have written
> and referenced, I can see that you deny the doctrine of total depravity.
> Perhaps you might want to consider the Bible's teachings on the depravity of
> Man in Ps. 14:2-3 and Rom. 3:10-18, which states explicitly that Man does
> not seek after God on his own.

When you say you were chosen to be saved by God before you could believe this is what is meant by being premade for salvation like a robot. God does not save first, for He saves after the man believes. This is called conditional election and resistible grace. Election is conditional upon employing the image of God in which man is made in. Your despising Gen. 1.26,27 is most apparent.

Understand how you confuse the fallen nature with total depravity. Total depravity says man can't choose because the image of God has been killed. Fallen nature says the man is corrupted by sin, but is still made in God's image, and throuugh that image can come to the cross, and drawn by God, to receive God's saving grace. Man's flesh does not seek God, but man's will made in God's image yet can come to the cross. You are having massive difficulty splicing this truth, and because your conscience can't reach this truth it demands your faith in another way of thinking you were premade for salvation like a robot.

> A Christian (osas arminian) may lose rewards of the kingdom for not letting
> God work a complete work in the believer unto overcoming. God deals with
> this lack through loss of rewards in outer darkness, outside the light of
> rewards of reigning with Christ for the 1000 years.
>
> You are assuming dispensationalism, and a particlar brand of that also,
> here.

You have contradicted yourself, for you said you are saved through your belief, whereas before you said you God saved you first then you could believe. You are talking like an osas arminian when you say you are saved through the choice of your belief to receive grace. All I can say to that is be "not doubletongued" (1 Tim. 3.8). Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

You like to name drop, silly. What we have learned, as I have talked to hundreds of calvinists before you, and helped many who end up repenting, is that you claim the only way you can come out of total depravity is if God saves you first like a robot, then you can believe. This is the evil teaching for your god which does not save others and lets them perish, hand-picking pridefilled souls who think they were saved first before they could believe, so that the belief from the image of God doesn't matter, but that your god preprograms by destiny certain souls to be saved. There is the utter lack of intuitive acceptance of being made in God's image which God glorifes to allow the freedom to come to or refuse the cross. Also, observe your duplicity, where you say you don't know what you mean by this other way of salvation you are under all the while arguing yourself against osas arminian. Again, this is another false fruit. One by one they are able to be exposed. Your heresy all falls on the two words, Total Depravity, for that is all you see, you don't see man made in God's image. That is the best way I know how to say it. You don't know how to splice or peal off the parts that are unecessary. Peal off the flesh of the will and below that is our very being made in the image of God Whom God is waiting for us to employ to receive grace.

You have said it over and over in your speech that you believe God saves first then you can believe. This is the evil of roboticism. You said it, this is your strawman, but God in the Bible allowed Abel to choose proper offering, He did not save him first. Nor did God overlook Cain, for it was Cain's choice being made in God's image with a free-will to deny his own salvation. We are saved when we believe in Christ, which means God does not save us first, for we saved after we believe. God choosing us before the foundations of the world does not mean He saves us first, but that He foreknows our choice, the very meaning of Rom. 8.29. To regenerate a person first is to make them zombies first and then the zombie believes. This is how I know you are not born-again for this is utterly evil that your god would not regenerate people first, then because of not regenerating them, then they would go to hell. No. God offers salvation to all, and without yet saving anyone, men are allowed the choice made in God's image to receive the cross to then be saved after first believing. Calvinism is the greatest heresy in the history of the kingdom of heaven, and it is what is keeping you eternally separated from God. When you get to GWT you will say to yourself something like, "I can't believe how belligerent I was and how obviously dumb and obstinate I was being about the whole thing with the legalism of total depravity which caused me to mistakenly believe that God had to save first and not save others before they could believe or be swept over". Crazy stuff. God does not sweep over anyone and that is what you are proposing to premaking them for hell and others for heaven. Your conscience can't sense this because it is hung up on the intial mistaken assumption of total depravity and rejecting the essense of ability of our being made in God's image to be able to meet Christ at the cross synergistically. This is how God made us in His image. We are not automatons, and thus, you have this extreme Pharasaical legalism you just can't let die on the cross.

> This is the libertarian free-will that is masked in roboticism
>
> Perhaps you can learn how to use the phrase libertarian free will properly,
> now that you are informed of its correct definition?

> Thank the Lord self-declarations are not true, but selfish and
> self-centered. Why do you do this? It is to cover up the lie in your
> heart about what you really believe. It is a misdirection if you will ...
> You should repent and receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior. I tell you this
> all unapologetically. ...
> You may claim you were made this way as a result of your calvinism
> regeneration, but this more likely is just your unsalvation: a false
> salvation of the tares who try to look like the wheat. ...
> There is no such recourse under calvinism, and thus what happens is your
> lower your conscience and presume you are abiding, when in fact you are not,
> but getting farther and farther into deception, because there is no
> consequences. ...
> Did you know the Holy Spirit has revealed to me you have never been
> born-again?
>
> Besides the fact that all these phrases commit the ad-hominen fallacy, I do
> not think that you have the right to question my motives - to say that I am
> covering up the truth which I 'actually believe in' (according to you). I
> think also that you are being judgmental when you declare me an unbeliever
> without valid proof, and furthermore, by invoking the Holy Spirit and saying
> that He has revealed it to you is firstly, blasphemy, since it is false.
> Secondly, it is a denial of Sola Scriptura or Scripture alone for you to
> claim extrabiblical revelation.

All these statements are true reflecting the heresy of total depravity and your attempt at killing the image of God. Your efforts are just ad-hominem fallacies, because you never address what you are doing here in these false teachings of killing the image of God. I do not question your motives. God reveals them by the Holy Spirit and I kindly share them with you to help you receive Christ into your life. It is not according to me, but according to God's Spirit. I certainly could not have fathomed what you were really doing. It is only by the power of the Holy Spirit that reveals your prideful pedestal in claiming predestination is by premaking not be foreknowledge. I do not judge you, for God judges you. Don't kill the messenger. Don't kill the image of God either. The proof has been well established Gen. 1.26,27 says we are made in God's image, there is the garden choice before the fall, and after the fall, all exhibiting the characterstic of the image of God choosing, but never do we see the image of God being destroyed as you need to be the case for you theory. The image of God does not need to be destroyed if there total depravity is a lie, so you know it is a lie, because the image of God is real. The Word agrees, and you add to the Bible by claiming a word " total depravity" that is not in the Scriptures which means that you need to be saved first before you can believe like a machine or a robot or a zombie or a prideful legalist.

> (Also, for a refutation of your misusage of Rom. 8:28-30, you can look at
> - the first part. Foreknew is NOT equal to foreknowledge, if you read the
> Greek. Also, from your articles, I see that you make the error of assuming
> that responsibility implies ability, which is ridiculous since God does
> demands things of us which we can't do - i.e. God demands that we are holy
> but we can never be holy.)

My prayer for you is that you realize that salvation is not before believing. God foreknowing our choice does not mean God saves us first, but that He foreknows if we will come to the cross, because He is all-knowing, all-seeing. And my prayer is that you see that you are not totally deprave. You are fallen, but not totally deprave. This means that you are still made in God's image to receive the cross, and you do not need to be zombified, premade, preprogrammed, saved first. That is puffed up to think that the reason you believe is because you were premade that way, chosen first. God chooses because He foresees our choice (Rom. 8.29, the most powerful proof against calvinism, which you are betray yourself, because you tried to change the meaning of the word foreknowledge to not mean foreknowledge). You are totally exposed when you do that is unethical and immoral. The unsaved will never have faith to believe as you do.

What you are doing is holding this pride within your heart of thinking you were premade for salvation (unconditional election, irresistible grace, limited atonement). All these ideas ring of the arian nation, the chosen race. The natural selection. This is evil for God offers salvation to all, man can resist grace of new birth, and election is conditional upon the choice to believe. If it was not so, then you have robots that can't resist are limited and are unconditionally responsible like robots. This is your sin and separation from God.

Stop trying to misrepresent osas arminian for it totally exposes you as unscrupulous.

A closing thought: With your premade idea, you can lower your conscience because you were saved anyway. You come to the cross falsely by being saved first before believing. This is a false when to come to the cross, so you were not repentant authentically at the start. Satan comes right in at the moment of possible salvation to steal away new birth from you. You let him win. How tragic. The other negative consequence is non-believers don't get saved because they hear this salvation of just those who are limitedly selected are saved, so they have no hope. You not only turn people away from Christ, but you cause in you a replicatory for salvation. This is proven by the fact you will never repent from killing the image of God as you deny His infinite foreknowledge to know whom will receive the cross - desparate you seeking to change the meaning of the word, foreknowledge.

That is that.

Love,

Troy

Conclusion: puritans were not pure and reformed did not reform. Email of Satan's Pawn is puritanreformer@xxx.xx

I am very disappointed in your response. It seens that you are so arrogant to think you can define my position for me. Can you interact with my position instead of all your ridiculous strawmen? I will only responsd to your attempted refutation, and ignore all your blatent ad hominem slurs and insults you have piled on me, which if you have noticed, I did not do likewise to you as I tried to think the best of you.

Strawman!! We believe that salvation involves repentance, as a cursory look at my article on soteiology should have told you.

I am not a name dropper like yourself as that is merely looking onto men for your answers instead of the Word of God.

Not a name dopper? Hello, what about the terms 'roboticism'? And just who is the one incessantly calling me an unbeliever? Your hypocrisy is revealing.

I have asked you to study the Greek. If you want to debate the Greek, then by all means. Otherwise, stop parroting the same old argument that has been refuted in my article which I have linked in my last email.

Some are blotted out who were first in those books. It is because the choice is made to continue to refuse God's grace, ...

So how can you believe in OSAS when you say that some people who were intially in have their names blotted out? By your admission, you are denying OSAS.

... because they were premade that way to go to hell.

... We do not choose Christ by the fallen will, but by the will made in God's image which we are still made in.

... You also erred by saying that all sinners deserve hell, ...

... but man's will made in God's image yet can come to the cross

'... which we are still made in'? '... erred by saying all sinners deserve hell'? 'man's will .. can come to the corss'? Excuse me? Do you realise what you are saying? You have just denied original sin. You are not an Arminian; you are a Pelagian. This is what Arminians believe:

That man has not saving grace of himself, nor of the energy of his free will, inasmuch as he, in the state of apostasy and sin, can of an by himself neither think, will, nor do any thing that is truly good (such as saving Faith eminently is); ... (Article 3, The Remonstrant articles)

That this grace of God is the beginning, continuance, and accomplishment of all good, even to this extent, that the regenerate man himself, without prevenient or assisting, awakening, following and cooperative grace, can neither think, will, nor do good, nor withstand any temptations to evil. ... (Article 4, The Remonstrant articles)

And this is what all Arminains, Calvinists, and even Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox believe:

The Canons of the Council of Orange (529AD)

CANON 1. If anyone denies that it is the whole man, that is, both body and soul, that was "changed for the worse" through the offense of Adam's sin, but believes that the freedom of the soul remains unimpaired and that only the body is subject to corruption, he is deceived by the error of Pelagius and contradicts the scripture which says, "The soul that sins shall die" (Ezek. 18:20); and, "Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are the slaves of the one whom you obey?" (Rom. 6:16); and, "For whatever overcomes a man, to that he is enslaved" (2 Pet. 2:19).

CANON 2. If anyone asserts that Adam's sin affected him alone and not his descendants also, or at least if he declares that it is only the death of the body which is the punishment for sin, and not also that sin, which is the death of the soul, passed through one man to the whole human race , he does injustice to God and contradicts the Apostle, who says, "Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned" (Rom. 5:12).

CANON 4. If anyone maintains that God awaits our will to be cleansed from sin, but does not confess that even our will to be cleansed comes to us through the infusion and working of the Holy Spirit, he resists the Holy Spirit himself who says through Solomon, "The will is prepared by the Lord" (Prov. 8:35, LXX), and the salutary word of the Apostle, "For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).

So your denial of original sin shows that you are NOT even an Arminian, regardless of what you say.

We? Oh well.... what ministry are you part of, may I know? And what denomination do you belong to? Also, what church do you attend? Are you an America?

Your heresy ...

Oh well, I will not respond to all the other purposeful misrepresentations of my beliefs, nor all the arrogant pontificatious statements you make of me. Before I go on further, since you are so sure of your beliefs and my error, do you mind if I post this correspondence on my website for all to see? I will let you post one last time if you so want to and I will not respond to it and will post that response on my website. How about that? You have the last word?

Finally, in conclusion, I am calling your bluff. You are neither an Arminian nor do you believe in OSAS. You are a Pelagian heretic and you do not know Jesus Christ nor the Holy Spirit. Your beliefs run counter to the beliefs of Christendom for at least the last 1500 years and in fact are opposite to those of Christ and the Apostles. Since that is the case, I call on you to repent of your heresy and to turn to Christ now.

This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ that saves Man; that we are created by God (Gen. 1:27), that we fell in Adam and became sinful (Gen. 3:1-19), that all of us have sinned and fall short of God's glory (Rom. 3:23) and that we are thus subject to the wrath of God (Rom. 1:18), and our depravity is such that our inclination of our hearts is towards wickedness (Gen. 6:5; Rom. 3:10-18) and that we can not chose God on our own (Ps. 14:2-3, Rom. 3:11). However, Jesus Christ came down to die on the cross so that all who believe in him will not perish but have eternal life (Jn. 3:16), such that we are to repent of our sins (Acts 2:38-39; Acts 17:30) and believe and accept Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord, thus following Christ and denying ourselves daily (Mt. 16:24-26; Lk. 9:22-24).

It is my wish that you repent of your heresy and turn to Christ now while you are still alive on this earth. God has promised that if you will repent and turn to Him, your sins will be forgiven (Acts. 3:19). However, if you harden your heart and dwell deeper into your deception, be forewarned! God has promised that you will spend eternity in hell away from Him, finally being thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:15) if you persists in your unbelief. You will be one of those whom the Lord will say at the last day, "I never knew you; depart from me, you worker of lawlessness" (Mt. 7:23). May God grant you repentance from your heresies. Amen.

by the way, I see how you have misrepresented Matt Slick as well. Oh well, is there any Calvinist in which you do not misrepresent? Why don't you try to take on Dr. James R. White, Dr John MacAthur, Dr. John Piper or even Elder Philip R. Johnson? May God grant you repentance to eternal life.

You have the same problem as these men. May God grant you and them new birth upon, and if, there is repentance to receive salvation, not by believing in being puffed up and pride-filled thinking salvation comes before repentance. Shame you's