Oliver Fischer From New Zealand

A Witness Lee adherent hangs out at the non-Christian Factnet.org, and he goes by the nicknames of termin8d or terminill revilor

Terminill Revilor and/or loverofanotherchrist (Brad V. Sneed) got me banned at Factnet.org with whatever method they used, bragging at Factnet.org about their scheming false complaints lodged. This is the sin of bearing false witness to silence voices. Not to worry! Their abusive tactics, to shut down any discussion of the 6 major sins of leeism has been handled accordingly. My censored responses can be found here. Oliver even brags about this apparent success of his at the Witness Lee Yahoo Groups by claiming Factnet.org is a Christian site (they are outspokenly non-Christian) which removed me after Brad. V. Sneed and him conspired to remove my account just like their cult removed Jim Moran's information from his own website. What a web they weave to deceive!

terminill revilor still treats others not as he would like to be treated, by speaking to them in their names while not allowing his own. Christians are never so one sided because we do not have double standards. We do not place ourselves above others in any way. A Christian would feel guilty for mistreating a brother or sister in Christ by being so uneven; this shows along with the 6 major sins of leeism and other bad behavior that terminill revilor is not a Christian. God said we shall know them by their fruit. God does not lie, no matter how hard the leeist tries to make a liar out of Him. All of these doubletongued actions are like a hissing serpent with his split tongue which began with initial mistaken assumptions by the unregenerate Witness Lee. Ever since then men in the lsm/lc cult try to rationalize these false teachings, false fruit and themselves, instead of repenting of the 6 major sins of leeism. Crazy stuff!

First Doubletongue – The members of the local churches do not call themselves God. They say they are God in life and nature.

Truth: The lsm/lc cult outlets are not the local churches since local churches are the body of Christ in locales whom are saved. Moreover, a central hub command and control by filthy lucre would divide the body of Christ falsely. Most leeists are not born-again, thus, they would not be deemed in the local churches.

They can’t even agree on their own doctrine, for Ron Kangas said “We shall not be God by nature but only by grace” while terminill revilor says he “God in life and nature”. They both agree they are God, but one says not by His nature, while the other says by His nature. Crazy stuff!

The lsm/lc adherents do call themselves God. Just because they say they do not share in the Godhead, doesn’t give them the right to call themselves God. One who is saved who has God’s life and His divine nature of eternal life, still gives us no right to call ourselves God. That’s just plain wrong and a pet teaching as a point of pride in the tares. Terminill revilor accuses falsely: “he twists what we teach to mean that we are actually God Himself”. Did I say that? No. Therefore, terminill revilor is sinning bearing false witness. Yes. He is breaking the ten commandments. He does so selfishly. Rather, what I have said from the outset is that it is wrong to call yourself God: “I am God” or “we are God” that leeists call themselves. Men like to find ways to put themselves above God’s basic truths in the most conniving ways, even to be doubletongued by saying they are not in the Godhead, yet still calling themselves God. But this is not love. It’s like Mormonism. Pet teachings as points of pride to puff up self! They want to make themselves feel special even with false teachings.

We are not God in life and nature or grace. We are not God in anyway, shape or form. Only God is God in all His ways. This is a misuse of the name God, for we whom are saved have God’s nature, but we are not God in nature. I am not God in anything since only God is God in nature. And so shall it always be.

Christians are helping the bad grammar of leeists reflecting their bad heart! Terminill revilor says “life and nature” is the modifier of God so it is ok to call themselves God. No! Just because one modifies God, still gives them no right to call themselves God. In fact, that is the problem isn’t it? They modify God so they can be God too. Further proof of this is they can’t even find one example in the Scriptures where the saved called themselves God in any way. Only God is God. Any Christian who speaks about the constitution of God’s life will never say they are God.

In light of the inability of terminill revilor to find even one example in the Bible where believers called themselves God, we can conclude easily that he is unsaved in examining all his false fruit together in the 6 major sins of leeism as he accuses the brethren!

The contradiction of Ron Kangas is two fold: to let his petty self own him by saying he is not God by nature but he is God in nature is so extremely petty to rationalize himself being God is of course vanity of vanities. He speaks this way throughout his writings as if it has some value. What men consider orthodox may not be Christian at all. Oliver fails to understand this. These points have been shown to terminill revilor, but it simply cannot sink into the puffy brain.

Second Doubletongue – The local churches don’t teach modalism.

Truth: The local churches do not teach modalism. The lsm/lc cult are not the local churches. The lsm/lc cult outlets do teach modalism.

The confusion of terminill revilor is in confusing God’s 3 Persons. His confusion comes from his spirit being dead to God. He thinks that the Father is in us because the Father is the Spirit. No! Never does the Bible teach this heresy of modalism. The 1^st Person of the Godhead is not the 3^rd Person, nor is terminill revilor God, nor is the Godhead a Person. The Father is in us by the Holy Spirit, just as the last Adam became a life giving spirit when He was raised, that is, the Spirit came to indwell, and so there is no need to confuse the 2^nd Person of the Trinity with the 3^rd Person. No longer do I live but Christ in me by His Spirit. It just so happens that the spirit is that Spirit.

There is God’s plan, not his “economical” money system. This word is not appropriate to describe God’s kingdom particularly today, and certainly not to its inordinate use. The accuser accuses" “fails to note the essential aspect” of the Trinity. No! The essential aspect of the Trinity is not modalism, since modalism is a heresy as we have seen. Watchman Nee used the term “economy” only 3 times at CFP, but leeists always use it. It's a like a virus that plagues their financial desires for the mammon of unrighteousness. This is why they just lost $136 million. We see this difference between the calvinist leeists and the Nee the osas arminian.

The 3 Persons of the Godhead do coinhere, but this does not mean that the Father is the Son. To coinhere means to exist together as one substance. Mormons say God is not one substance. Similarly, leeists say God is not one substance because they say they are God also. This would make at least two different substances. The one substance of God is not in their hearts when they confuse God’s 3 Persons as a point of prideful puffed up false teaching. Unsaved men do this. The sin of leeism is to confuse God’s 3 Persons: they even call the Godhead a Person who is 3 Persons. Obviously, you can see this is wrong to confuse the word “Person” as it was not intended as a spiritual term for His 3 Persons. Satan is having a heyday with the leeists.

Therefore, where the lsm/lc cult has always been wrong, still they remain wrong and misaim by trying to alter the Godhead, the Divine Trinity. Shame on them! This is not love.

Third Doubletongue - Local Churches don't teach calvinism.

Truth: There is the universal Church and the local churches. We ought not to capitalize the local churches. The lsm/lc are not the universal Church, nor are they the local churches, since they are mostly unregenerate tares trying to look like the saved wheat.

The leeist will never be able to exalt their false teachings to the body of Christ. Any council we hold will always refuse their ploys, as occurred throughout church history.

Terminill revilor doesn't even understand calvinism that he is lost in as he clings to one or more of its false teachings, usually total depravity. Most leeists say they are calvinists in one aspect or another. Revilor misconstrue calvinism by saying they believe in free-will, but ask any calvinists. Calvinists say they do believe in free-will within the confines of their system, just as leeists say they have a free-will within the confines of their false teachings. Therefore, this is not the issue as terminill hoped for. The heresy of the calvinist leeists is in their believing the false teaching of total depravity. That is where the deception begins. Man is not totally deprave, though he is fallen.The difference is insurmountable because the image of God can not be destroyed. Cults use calvinism to teach they are the chosen ones because they were premade that way. Leeist like this teaching which is why most leeists defend it come hell or highwater. So be it! Throughout Witness Lee's writings is this false teaching of total depravity.  I have never met a leeist who gets this. As usual, the leeist is wrong and unable to repent from this false teaching.

Fourth Doubletongue – The leeists don’t practice violent aggressive screaming, nor is it demonic, repetitive mantra.

Truth: All the outlets of the lsm/lc cult practice violent screaming mantra; it is part of their schism. Several of these practices have been recorded incognito - http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Audios.htm. Any Christian can see this is demonic and without the love of the Lord. I have let several brothers and sisters listen to it and they all agree it does not come from God. It is unholy. Neither is it prayer or reading, or calling on the name of the Lord. As you can tell in the audios and videos, 3 or 4 aggressive word chants is not reading, nor prayer.

Again, terminill revilor is mistaken in his cult’s view.

Fifth Doubletongue – The lsm/lc outlets don’t sue Christians for faith.

Truth: The sinners (tares), leeists, quite unethically pass blame onto another that belongs to themselves. For example, terminill revilor says “the lawsuit took place after Harvest House publishers themselves launched a lawsuit first”. HH in view of their being sued for faith (considering the pettiness of the lawsuit), responded by requesting jurisdiction of where the case should be held. This should not be deemed as suing first, but rather, taking appropriate action because they were being sued in a less conducive environment chosen by the leeists to sue them. Leeists thought it would help their case more. They lost anyway. They lost $136 million. Obviously, HH would not have needed to respond if they weren't sued in the first place.

The reason leeists really sue is no different than the reason scientologists sue for faith. They both have false teachings and misaim to defend those false teachings come hell or high water. Jesus said when He returns, he will destroy them (the tares such as leeists and those who take the mark of the beast such as scientologists) with the sickle of His angels. Praise God!

Rightly, HH should not respond to those who have a history of suing people based on faith. Leeists are very controlling to do this. Do not cast pearls before the swine and do kick the dust under your feet as you leave a place. Instead of repenting of these sins of leeism, the leeist gets off on suing others for faith in the hopes that this will make themselves feel better to rationalize themselves further as sin begets sin. That's what they do since they know not repentance, the substitution of Christ or the cross.

HH heard the call of the churches, as it says in the Bible, to cast the person out of the Church in hopes that they may be saved. They did the right thing, and cast out the lsm/lc cult. It was necessary to do this because the lsm/lc cult do not fellowship on the principles set out in Matthew. The Bible never condones suing for faith, but when one does, treat them as a gentile or a tax collector. The leeist are just trying to collect false taxes through man’s courts. It finally caught up to them and they failed.

This is not unlike when Paul was on his second journey. One place he stayed at was Corinth. There the courts ruled in his favor when he was sued for faith. The people attacked the leader of the synagogue for losing the case (Acts 18) too. This leader then became a Christian. This might be the next action of leeists: physical harm after losing their major precedent setting case. Now the precedence is against them, just like it was against those who charged Paul falsely. It totally backfired on them. Islam blows people up for the same reason as their anger and jealousy is increased. This major case allowed Christians to speak freely in Rome for awhile at least. Paul then stayed there for some time longer just as today, Christians can roam more freely despite the stalking leeists. There were many idols, like leeists have so close to Athens: e.g. the unregenerate Witness Lee and many others like John Pester and Ron Kangas, etc. Not only people idols, but they also have the false teaching idols and the idol of the physical birth children of Lee who run the lsm/lc cult.

HH would have never asked for jurisdiction for the case if they were not sued in the first place, so never believe a liar such as a terminill revilor who says, “the lawsuit was in response to their initial suit and posting false accusations concerning the practices of the local churches in a slanderous way”. The defense of HH was not to show false practices of the local churches, since the lsm/lc outlets are not the local churches. Nothing has been shown to accuse HH of any false accusations, nor were they slanderous. The case has been shown, but leeists don't care for the authority of the law of the courts because leeists do not know submission to authority. A small paragraph or two at the front of an Encyclopedia does not constitute anything. The slanderous accusations come from the demonic organization of the lsm/lc adherents. HH told the truth, and thus the lsm/lc cult lost $136 million. Praise God! This is God's judgment upon them.

Again, terminill revilor is mistaken in his views. Be “not doubletongued” (1 Tim. 3.8).

Sixth Doubletongue – The lsm/lc cult did not alter Watchman Nee’s writings.  

Truth: The lsm/lc cult adherent says there is no proof for their altering Nee's writings, but the proof has been given,

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Spiritual_Man.htm. Therefore, you can render their self-declarations from the selfish self as continued obstinacy and belligerency, as dullards and not of God.

This is wonderful to be able to see because as the leeist makes his claim that it is not true Lee altered Nee's writings, we can show directly that they did alter Nee’s writings. There is no Hate chapter, there is no Love chapter, and there is no Affected chapter (which is needed to agree with their alterations of emotion in Chapter 2, Volume 1); but, there is a Desire chapter, an Affection chapter and a Feelings chapter to agree with TSM Chapter 2, Volume 1. These same chapters exist in the lsm/lc version, but they do not agree with the components given of emotion in Chapter 1, Volume 1 of the LSM version of TSM. It’s all shown in the link.

It is the hopes of a leeist that his excuse will rationalize his view when he says he thinks The Spiritual Man was “translated from using His notes”. Nee published TSM himself into English so the excuse fails, misrepresenting reality. And the leeist should stop referring to certain men as idols with “He,” “Him” and “His”. Watchman Nee should not be treated as an idol.

In this one example, there are many more, you do not need to know Chinese to know our emotion is affection, desire and sensing and feelings in agreement with the chapters that expound on these components of emotion. How silly it would be if Chinese had to be the guiding principle or if English had to be the guiding principle as the leeist says: “because Troy Himself does not understand the Chinese language” and “He himself does not have access to all of Watchman Nees original notes”. Chinese should not be an idol. Please stop referring to me as “Him”. I am not God as you think you are! I am not like you for I am not a leeist; never even have I ever gone to one of your cult gatherings. Terminill revilor has been told this before, but he keeps doing it belligerently. It's like a Freudian slip because he thinks he is a God-man, and projects this onto others.

Do you see how the reasoning of terminill revilor is wrong? He makes a mistaken assumption about Nee’s own publication of TSM into English, not accepting that it was not gathered up by notes. See the Explanatory Notes to TSM (white copies at CFP). Terminill revilor is sinning bearing false witness against this work. Terminill revilor accuses of strawman, but as you can see this is his own strawman he sets up to deceive himself for his lsm/lc cult possession and his eventual resurrection to hell. Moreover, you don’t need access to all Nee’s notes. How silly! Watchman Nee himself posted all his writings in his various magazines from his own notes and speaches. He already did it! He probably did this knowing people would falsely accusing him that his original writings at CFP and CLC were merely taken from notes or other peoples' note taking. Smart move! It certainly stopped the rationale of the obfuscating leeist.

These ploys and deceptions by the demon of leeism have been going on soon after Watchman Nee was imprisoned for life in the early 50’s. It's like when parent leaves the children unattended they make a mess of the house. The little flock in China, praise the Lord, recognized this about leeism, so they eventually outspokenly separated themselves from leeists.

Again, terminill revilor is wrong in his views.

Watch out for terminill revilor and do not be sucked into his false reasonings why he thinks the 6 major sins of leeism are not sins. The 6 major sins of leeism are the cornerstone of the lsm/lc cult. Terminill has no idea what he is talking about because he is not a Christian, just someone possessed by the demon of leeism.

Praise the Lord for this discernment!

Conclusion: leeists do not have a conscience in Christ, but a conscience seared for the demon of leeism in their sectarian party spirit.

All we need do is stand back and let the accuser keep accusing the brethren, then we expose the leeist again. Always more to follow in response to the accusers to expose them...

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